Serious lag persists after a lot of trouble shooting

Mathius622

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So the other day my computer started getting seriously laggy, like in everything. There is a big delay when typing and when letters appear, I can't load videos of any kind loading websites takes way to long compared to how it should It's just terrible.. My computer auto defrags every wednesday, I have run malwarebytes 2 times now I run ccleaner, I gave my computer a nice thorough cleaning, I have done everything short of check for serious hardware issues, right now my CPU usage is anywhere from 50% to 100% while doing very little but the fluctuation seems to have to effect on the lag, I chalked it up to heat because my apartment is like a sauna right now, just looking for ideas on what it might be, maybe just set a fan up next to the computer? I have no clue, thanks in advance.
PC SPECS: CPU: I7 4790k, Mobo gigabyte z97x, 16gb ram corsair vengeance ddr3, cpu cooler h100i gtx, psu evga 650, gpu evga 970, hdd seagate 1tb
 
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If resetting the BIOS to default doesn't help Try a clean boot and see if the issue persists. If the issue only happens after sleep mode then for some reason either software or hardware is having trouble coming out of an S state.

S state = low powered sleep state
Clean boot instructions: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/929135/how-to-perform-a-clean-boot-in-windows

difference between C states and S states:
S states is are sleep states in which the power is turned off to the CPU
C states are low power consumption states that the CPU will enter while powered on to be more efficient. An example is the CPU parking an unused core/s to allow the the CPU to lower its power consumption. Core Parking is usually the C6 state and on...

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If your CPU is idling at 50-100% then something is definitely wrong there. How about taking a look at which process is messing everything up? No way the CPU would throttle that much by heat alone.

Let me know what you find!
 

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I did some testing on what might be causing it and I think I figured it out, I am gonna give it the day and see if anything happens, you were definitely right while I was testing stuff I kept a close eye on processes, it had something to do with the way something was using HTTPCache, I was deleting cache for literally hours hopefully all is well now. If anything happens I will let you know.
 

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Well I guess that was just a coincidence, which is odd but now I really have no clue what is causing it to throttle so hard, when everything is alright I idle at like 10-20% when its lagging it idles at like 30% and when something is open is just spikes straight to 100% so I don't know I might just try a fresh restart but I wanna see if I have other options first.
 

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If it's throttling your speed then you might want to check on your CPU temperatures. That is usually the most common reason why a CPU might throttle itself. If for any reason it's getting too hot, then it's gonna downclock itself to keep it from harm.

Get something that can monitor temps like HW monitor, see where they're at. If they seem normalish to you, then something else is the reason. Perhaps the power plan has been set to economy, preventing the CPU from running above a certain % of its max speed? Do check on that.
 

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It's low load (just youtube/twitch and a few other tabs) it sits around 38-42 degrees, when playing something more high strain it is about 55 degrees, Gpu sits around 55 degrees but fans are not turned on high. Everything seems fine, earlier I had my computer blue screen on me though. I turned my power settings from balance to high performance to see if it will have any effect.
 
the issue is not temperature if those are accurate that you gave.

Give this a shot, Open a command window using administrator privileges and type with out quotes "SFC/ScanNow" and hit enter.
This will check the system files for corruption. IT will try to repair them on its own BUT if it can not type the following without quotes "dism /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth"
This second one will get the files needed online and replace the corrupted files.

If nothing is found to be wrong run this command next "CHKDSK /F"
This one will scan your HDD/SSD for errors and try to repair them.

If these do not find anything then it is time to do a full system stability test suite to ensure all components are working properly.
 

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I used SFC/ScanNow, it said somethings were detected and fixed and the CHKDSK /F isn't working at all it says that it will check on restart but never does, the only way I have found that stops it from lagging is a hard reset and after it enters sleep mode or something it just comes back. It is becoming insanely annoying cause it has been like a weak now. Just lags sometimes it blue screens out, other times it's fine then lags the next day, the cpu throttling seems to have no effect on whether is lags or not, I honestly have no clue...
 
If the System File Check found some issues then there were some OS files that became corrupt.
After staring the Check Disk just do a restart on the system through the start button and leave the PC alone. In order for this to do its job properly the OS can not be running. You will have a black screen with white lettering telling you what it is doing. Do not press any buttons and just let it do its own thing. The system will restart after it is finished.

Is the system overclocked? Since this thread is in the overclocking section I'm willing to say yes. IF it is try removing the OC and see if the system still lags, IF not the Overclock is unstable and you need to retest the components for stability while overclocking.
 

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It did the check disk already it said it could not do it while running so it gave the option to do it on startup, after restarting a few times it did it on startup, it didn't seem to do anything I don't know if there is something is does if you do it from the console and it stops the OS or something, I honestly can't see what could be causing this if there is nothing else I can do I guess I would just to a total system check to make sure everything is working and if so just wipe everything and put windows back on. This is the first time using this forum I did not mean to post this is the overclocking section, but either way I am not overclocking anything, I never have for this PC.
 

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Well things happen, can't do much about the tags now. If you're running windows 8, 8.1 or 10, you should have the option to refreshing the Windows install in case something really is corrupted, so you could technically follow the whole process without having to deal with making bootable drives etc.

Some related pages which are relevant:
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/4090-refresh-windows-10-a.html
https://www.howtogeek.com/132428/everything-you-need-to-know-about-refreshing-and-resetting-your-windows-8-pc/

If it really is an issue with the software, this should take care of it. Otherwise, we're talking some sort of BIOS or hardware issue. If it's the former, you could probably solve it by clearing the CMOS and resetting the BIOS settings. If it's the latter, which I hope not, then you'd have to start looking at exactly which piece of hardware is acting up.

IMO it sounds like a BIOS thing to me as if the CPU isn't properly "waking up" from the sleep states it goes into when it's idle or sleeping, causing it to run at a severely lower capacity. At this point, we can only test what it might be.

If you're on windows 10 and look at the task manager, switching to the performance tab and selecting the CPU should show you quickly what speed the CPU is running it. If it's stuck to like 800mhz when it is super slow that would explain quite a lot.
 
If you are using Windows 8, 8.1 or 10 you can do a recovery that can do one of two things.

1st: it can reinstall teh OS back to factory settings and wipe all personal information off of the PC.
2nd: it can reinstall the OS and keep your personal files.
With both options you will need to reinstall programs but with the second all your personal files and folders, Pics/Music/Documents ect., will be saved. this will fix any issues that the OS is creating.

If after doing a restore you are still lagging then please report back and I will give a list of free programs for you to test the PC hardware with.

To find this option open settings and click on recovery, select the first option that should say "Reset This PC".
 


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Moderators Please move this thread to the relevant section. Thank you. :)
 

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It sounds like the BIOS problem you explained because it only tends to happen after my computer has been in sleep mode, the way I have been getting rid of it is hard resetting ie. holding the power button. would reset the BIOS help? from what I understand you do so by removing the small battery and putting it back in but I am not 100% sure. As well I am running Windows 7.
 
If there is an issue when coming out of sleep then this would be more of a software issue.

to reset the BIOS there are many ways but the most common ways that are standard on all motherboards is to remove the power cord from the wall, in all cases, and either remove the small button battery for 1 minute and replace OR find the jumper on the motherboard meant to reset the BIOS usually labeled CLRCMOS, RESET, CLR, RSTCMS ect..

Either way you need to remove the power cord form the wall. IF this is not done the BIOS will keep all the information and not be reset.

Alternatively because you can enter the BIOS you can go in and click on restore default settings. Then press F10 and click save and reset, OK or what ever it says to save the settings. Each motherboard maker can say something slightly different this is why the info is vague
 

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Sorry for the delay, Work and stuff.. But while I was busy I turned the sleep mode option off my computer and when I came back there was no lag at all, so the wake up is causing it for sure, so I am just gonna unplug everything and reseat the battery and hopefully that fixes it.
 
If resetting the BIOS to default doesn't help Try a clean boot and see if the issue persists. If the issue only happens after sleep mode then for some reason either software or hardware is having trouble coming out of an S state.

S state = low powered sleep state
Clean boot instructions: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/929135/how-to-perform-a-clean-boot-in-windows

difference between C states and S states:
S states is are sleep states in which the power is turned off to the CPU
C states are low power consumption states that the CPU will enter while powered on to be more efficient. An example is the CPU parking an unused core/s to allow the the CPU to lower its power consumption. Core Parking is usually the C6 state and on most motherboards able to be turned off in the BIOS.

P.S. Life happens and needs to be first priority. :)
 
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