G Skill Trident Z - Multiple Products the same hardware?

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I just bought this
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232391

3200 @ c16 which is a great product. However, I guess I wasn't paying enough attention when ordering because I was initially attempting to get the #2 ram on this page...http://ram.userbenchmark.com/ which is the 3200 @ c14

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232407

Newegg sells the 3200 c14 for roughly 40$ more than the c16 version. I am a little confused. Does ram work similar to graphics cards? for instance, a gtx 1080 SC is the same chip/card as a reference 1080. The SC version is just guaranteed to operate at a higher speed than the reference card. On the flip side, a person might get a reference card that overclocks higher than the SC card. So with ram, does this work in the same fashion? Could my 3200 c16 be dropped down to c14? Are the two pieces of ram essentially the same thing just the one that costs 40$ more is guaranteed to work at c14 whereas the c16 ones may go to a lower Cstate but most likely will not. Any advice/info about this would be awesome ! thanks Andrew----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
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3200mhz C16 Hynix chips or samsung E-Die chips
3200mhz C14 Samsung B-Chips

The Hynix etc may do C15 but I doubt you'll get them down to C14, but end user experiences you wont see any difference, only a slight difference in benchmarks.

The price difference is because of the tighter timings.

I foundf a list yesterday which shows all the different chips that come on different versions of that RAM, damned if I can find it now.

EDIT: Ahh found it https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/649ay8/ram_collection_thread_please_post_your_ram/
I have these F4-3200C16D-16GTZR they have Hynix on them.
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3200mhz C16 Hynix chips or samsung E-Die chips
3200mhz C14 Samsung B-Chips

The Hynix etc may do C15 but I doubt you'll get them down to C14, but end user experiences you wont see any difference, only a slight difference in benchmarks.

The price difference is because of the tighter timings.

I foundf a list yesterday which shows all the different chips that come on different versions of that RAM, damned if I can find it now.

EDIT: Ahh found it https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/649ay8/ram_collection_thread_please_post_your_ram/
I have these F4-3200C16D-16GTZR they have Hynix on them.
 
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Seanie280672, you sound very knowledgeable, do you have any idea whether GSkill Trident Z RGB 3200Mhz 8GX2 ram F4-3200C16D-16GTZR have any issues with Ryzen 5 & AM4 mobo. I ask this because I wrongly bought it together with Asus Prime B350M-A. After some online reading, I found F4-3200C16D-16GTZR is not on any Memory Support List of AM4 mobos whether they be Asus, Msi, Gigabyte, Asrock, nada. In fact it's geared for intel.
But this site seems to think so as it's recommended
http://www.legitreviews.com/ddr4-memory-scaling-amd-am4-platform-best-memory-kit-amd-ryzen-cpus_192259/6
My dilemma is whether to keep it & take the risk of it not performing well with ryzen or better just return it and get
Ripjaws V Series DDR4 PC4-25600 3200MHz or Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3200MHz
which according to some ryzen users, are proven to work. Reluctant to part with Trident Z as it's beautiful but if it's for my own good, I must...I must...sob




 
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Its the exact ram that im using, looks amazing and performs amazing, mine is running at full speed 3200mhz on an MSI B350m Mortar motherboard with a Ryzen R7 1700 overclocked to 3.9ghz, its not on my QVL either, but other types are and I figure, if it can run 1 type, it can run another, motherboard manufacturers just test what ram they can, obviously theres far too many for them to test them all, since I discovered G.Skill ram years ago, yes i'll admit, im a G.skill fan boy, never ever had any issue with there ram, wish I could say the same for other companies.

I cant promise you'll get it to full speed to start with on your motherboard, but it should at least do 3000mhz for the time being until bios updates full sort out memory problems.

They make that ram with 2 different types of chips, some kits are Hynix and other kits are Samsung E-die, mine are Hynix, its just pot luck which chips yours will ship with.

Video of my settings here, and all the tests I ran and benchmarks are in the description for the video: https://youtu.be/JaQgj3PPTu8
 
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phew what a relief to hear it works beautifully with ryzen...well at least for your build.
I'm still a bit timid with all the horror stories posted by users regarding incompatible am4 ram
messing things up. But if I follow your lead and use the same mobos that you successfully paired with
G Skill Trident Z, maybe my chances of success are higher?
Since ASUS Prime B350M-A mobo only supports DDR4 2666/ 2400/ 2133, so pairing it with TridentZ 3200 would be wasted potential for the ram since the board limitation would prevent the clock speed from reaching 3200Mhz, right??
Or it's ok to stick with this board as future bios updates may remove the limitation if that's even possible.
Or playing it safe I should change the mobo instead to either:
MSI B350m Mortar
Msi B350M Gaming Pro

You mentioned having used the GSkill Trident Z RGB with Gigabyte B350m 1st then moved it to an MSI B350m in an earlier post, I assume the Gigabyte B350m is same as
Gigabyte AB350-GAMING 3
Gigabyte AB350M-DS2
Gigabyte AB350M-GAMING 3

So far any issue at all with the alleged buggy RGB software of GSkill Trident Z as highlighted by many users?
Some said it cause a system overwrite that made the ram unusable and GSkill refused to repair it citing user's mishandling instead. Can the RGB be disabled to avoid possible mishaps?

Or to play it even safer still, change the ram to
1. G.SKILL 16GB (2 x 8GB) Ripjaws V Series DDR4 PC4-25600 3200MHz Desktop Memory Model F4-3200C16D-16GVKB
2. Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3200MHz C16 Desktop Memory Kit - White (CMK16GX4M2B3200C16W)
which are known to work.

I have R5 1600, will success be the same? Do I really need 3200Mhz ram as touted by ryzen forums as the sweet spot, maybe if I don't tinker with overclocking the system, lower speed like 2400/ 2133Mhz is more than sufficient.
It may look good on paper but will there really be noticeable performance deterioration if ram is below 3200/3000Mhz?
Please share your valuable thoughts on this, thanks.


 
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I would avoid the corsair for now, they give the biggest problems that ive seen with Ryzen so far.

As for the boards you mentioned, if I wanted a full ATX motherboard and had a chance to do it all again, I would get the MSI B350 Gaming Pro, due to having twice as many VRM's on it as most other B350 motherboards, you are right, I did used to have the Gigabyte motherboard, I hated it, very limited bios, all sorts of problems and it wouldnt run my ram any faster than 2133mhz, other people have had success with the Gigabyte boards, for me, I wouldnt buy one again.

As for ram speed, Ryzen benefits from faster ram, so the faster you get, the better, not all boards support 3200mhz, whereas mine does, but bear in mind, mine is a micro ATX motherboard, its big brother is the Tomahawk.

The G.skill software is rubbish and buggy as hell, its still beta, very rarely works, I use an app made by ASUS to control mine called lighting control, yup, even on an MSI motherboard: https://youtu.be/JyHEKE3spgw

 
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So your advice is to take advantage of potential oc to 3200Mhz, best option is to exchange the asus mobo I impulsively bought to either:
MSI B350 Gaming Pro
MSI Tomahawk
MSI Mortar
which all support 3200Mhz oc.
Retain the F4-3200C16D-16GTZR & hope all systems go?
Tomahawk seems to be recommended often but pricier.
Between MSI B350 Gaming Pro & MSI Mortar, I lean toward Mortar
since its combination with F4-3200C16D-16GTZR has been demonstrated
by you to work flawlessly at high oc speeds.
Mortar bios software is any good may I ask?
Then again, could it be due to the nature of the silicon lottery,
your F4-3200C16D-16GTZR may actually harbor a samsung b-die,
that's why it works well, while mine may be hynix in disguise?
All's well that ends well.



 
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Mine is defo Hynix, ive ran TypoonBurner through it which confirmed Hynix, Sammy B-Die is the tighter timing kits, G.Skill kits that are 3200mhz but CL14 are B-Die, but also much more expensive.

The Mortar bios compared to my last Gigabyte bios, took a little bit of getting used too, its set out a little differently to normal UEFI bioses im used to, but there's way more options in it than was on my Gigabyte board, for one, I couldnt believe my Gigabyte AB350m bios had no Load Line Calibaration options in it, they really skimped on there bios for that board, MSI are way in front, not sure about the ASUS boards as ive not tried one yet, nothings grabbed me to the point where ive thought ive got to have one of those.

The Gigabyte board was always a get me by until the Mortar became available anyway.
 
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So far as I know, Ryzen has been having an issue with its memory controller, it's just not acting right when it comes to mainly high speed SkHynix ram. So far 3200 Samsung B-die (G-skill, Avexir) have shown the best compatability, reaching the full 3200 without issue. Most others are reaching 2933 max, SkHynix are basically stuffed around 2666 tops. Reportedly amd is currently working on a fix, but so far hasn't released a full working version. G-skill has 4000MHz kits that are compatible with Ryzen. This mostly covers 2x8Gb kits, 2x16Gb and 4x8Gb have further issues, mainly due to the single vrs double sided IC's used. Best bet is stick to the SammyB G-skills, FlareX etc.
 
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