New PC build.. Trouble with loading OS

ZenKoiDragon · Apr 20, 2017

Im finishing a build.. Ryzen 1700x, asrock pro4 motherboard in a phantex eclipse 400s, amd radeon rx 480... And deep cool captain 240ex liquid cooler.. First 'all new components' build.. Im used to modifying, upgrading hardware or just frankenstein-ing a working unit together. Anyways.. Im now needing to load windows on it.. I want win 7.. Even ordered a new disk.. But it is OEM and doesnt work.. The copy i have from my old computer( an HP tower that i reordered the serial number's copy.. I have my old HHD ready to slave off the new wetern digital.. But i cant load from it... Can i? My SSD arrives tomorrow. . theres gotta be a way to get windows 7 loaded.. Ive bought it twice ... What are my options???

hang-the-9 · Apr 21, 2017

You may want to put in some details about exactly how this does not work. You boot from the Windows 7 disk, then what? You can't re-use the same license code from the old computer, OEM keys are licensed only for the original setup not for transferring to another computer.

okcnaline · Apr 21, 2017

Ryzen has problems booting Windows 7. Just thought you may want to know.

ZenKoiDragon · Apr 21, 2017

Initially, it brings up the Asrock screen with F2,F8 options but it flashes fast.. to say 'reboot and select proper boot device...' I'm going to get my SAD today and then I can really buckle down on this, since it is what I plan to boot with and hold my OS... I have a feeling something is wrong tho. And to clarify, I have the restore disks from my old system...AND a brand new copy, New serial number.. product key whatever. And no, I haven't heard that ryzen doesn't like Windows 7.... you're the first person to bring that up... now , I Have heard that win 10 has weirdness but that's on Microsoft®... I won't mention 8... wasn't 10 pretty much just an update to turn 8 back in to 7?

hang-the-9 · Apr 21, 2017

ZenKoiDragon :

Do not use restore disks from another system, use the clean unbranded newer disk. Have you tried to boot from the media? There should be an option at boot to select the boot device. If it does not boot, I have seen Windows 10 activate with a Windows 7 code several times, try that.

ZenKoiDragon · Apr 21, 2017

I just got the SSD installed.. it now gives me 4 boot options. UEFI :built_in shell. , SanDisk SAD. ,AHCI PO.WDC or HP ddvd. Which do I choose? I have the win 7 New disk in the disc drive

ZenKoiDragon · Apr 21, 2017

In bios the CSM is enabled and the PXE, storage and video policies are all set to 'legacy'

hang-the-9 · Apr 24, 2017

ZenKoiDragon :

If you have the disk in the DVD drive, then you select the DVD drive.

jensrobot · Apr 24, 2017

hang-the-9 :

True it's not intended to be used on another pc/motherboard, but you CAN use the key though... it's just not completely legal, but there are different loopholes, and microsoft themselves are not consistently clear on this. Also, this has worked without any prompt or warning or anything since windows XP. If microsoft was serious about this limitation, they would have done more (or rather SOMETHING) to prevent it the last 20 years. You can even buy OEM keys from all kinds of internet shops.
I've done this method since windows XP, on many many pc's, and i just recently found out it's not exactly legal, because in the old days, you'd just use the sticker on your old pc, so my thought was that of course it was legal. I never heard back from microsoft, and i probably registered 30+ pc's via telephone...

Anyway...

You should enable UEFI for your system SSD in your bios BEFORE installing windows.
What happens when you choose to boot from the DVD?
When you reach as far as to entering the key, it will probably fail (note: NOT rejecting), and ask you to register manually. You could then give the microsoft answering machine a call and let that work you through the process. It never failed on me.

hang-the-9 :

wow thx, will try that. It couldve saved me alot of time upgrading freshly installed windows 7/8 machines

ZenKoiDragon · Apr 24, 2017

I kept getting 'select a proper boot drive' message.. ive since loaded an iso from Microsoft for windows 7 pro onto a thumb drive as i was concerned the DVD drive may have had issues.. now I'm getting a flat black screen when selecting to run from the usb. i know the iso is working as i have tested it, but can't seem to get it to work from the UEFI bios even though it recognizes the usb, the partition and is selected to boot from it..

jensrobot · Apr 25, 2017

Did you use the official windows 7 download tool also to make the USB drive bootable?
This could be a UEFI/BIOS thing, it's not always behaving.
I've run into similar problems before. Confirming a boot usb works on antoher pc, but not the one im working on. You can fiddle in bios and probably get it to boot, but usually i find that making another bootable USB work. One app that have saved my ass when others (microsoft + rufus) failed on numerous occasions. It's called "winsetupfromusb", and this guy can boot on all systems/bios ive tried. It's not as easy to use though, but generally just use the "fbinst" format when loading an ISO file and it will take care of the rest.

jensrobot · Apr 25, 2017

Oh crap, forgot this... UEFI only need to be enabled on the system drive. You can boot legacy (CSM) from the USB if your BIOS allows independent setup of your storage devices. If it does you can try this before "winsetupfromusb"
I still wanna recommend that you try hard to get it working with your SSD set to UEFI, as it has many advantages including faster boot time.
Tell me how it works out. You are very close

ZenKoiDragon · Apr 25, 2017

i am very close... I was able to get windows installed using WintoHDD , i think a similar pprogram to what you mentioned.. then IT didn't recognize my SSD, BUT ... i was able to enter a command prompt from there and run setup.exe and install.... NOW im getting a hang on the Windows loading screen... where the four colors come together and 'breathe'? is this where i need to change my storage OpROM policy back to legacy? i don't think its a graphix card issue.. ive heard having too much RAM initially can cause issues.. or is this a hardware connection problem? this IS my first 'from scratch' build... everything else i've done has been upgrade/install various components.... uggggh i AM close..
:fou:

ZenKoiDragon · Apr 25, 2017

i tried loading in 'safe mode'.. it ran through a buncha drivers then sat there hung up saying please wait...

jensrobot · Apr 26, 2017

Dang!
Ram really shouldnt be an issue. I don't think its a gfx issue either. It might be a hardware problem but i doubt it
You should not turn back to legacy again for your SSD, keep it on UEFI for good.
About WintoHDD. I did not know about this app. Sounds really good on paper, and considering how far it got you, it can't be all bad. If it was me i would try out winsetupfromusb instead. I don't know anything about wintohdd's method, and it seems incredible (maybe too incredible?) that it can just be that easy.

Do you by any chance have a "secure boot" option enabled in your BIOS? That gave me trouble once starting windows

If all else fail, you can just do a legacy install :/ these things can be a bit troublesome, depending on the motherboard and drive(s)

okcnaline · Apr 26, 2017

Ryzen is not supposed to boot up Windows 7 without some kernel modifications.

jensrobot · Apr 26, 2017

Didnt catch that it was Ryzen, silly me.
This seems like a good resource http://www.anandtech.com/show/11182/how-to-get-ryzen-working-on-windows-7-x64

If i were you i'd change OS instead. Windows 7 is getting old, i sticked with it for quite some time but are very happy with win10 since i switched.

ZenKoiDragon · May 2, 2017

wooohooo... im making progress.. finally got it installed.. but then it wouldnt see my keyboard/mouse.. scrounged up a p/s2 and limped around with that.. no drivers meant no internet, no usb, no nothin.. but i pulled my ssd out and loaded the drivers on it from my older computer... now thats all square except... no ethernet controller recognition.. even used the one provided.. the driver is the only thing missing and im set...!

jensrobot · May 3, 2017

Great job, did you follow that guide?

You should always get the newest drivers from your vendor though, but im guessing your MB doesnt even support win7 since its Ryzen (although many drivers work across 7/8.1/10 anyway, i'm still amazed you got it through!)
I wanted to look up your board, but there is many pro4 variants. Assuming you have the AB350 Pro4, its officially only supported for win10. Be aware that even if your windows 7 is running now, you will most likely get a better running system with win10 and all the correct drivers for your mobo.

Did you go and download the ethernet driver from asrock? or used cd driver?
Here is link for the AB350 board drivers, if its the model you have: http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/AB350%20Pro4/#osW1064

Might have some other suggestions if that dont work, let me know

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