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My friend gave me an old cpu/mobo/gpu and I bought the case, psu, ram, and storage. I am wanting to now upgrade the cpu/mobo/gpu. I would like to stick with micro atx which is what my case is and preferably ddr3 ram so that I do not need to replace that as well. My question is what would be the best bang for buck with those specifications?
 
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Best bang for the buck right now is the Pentium G4560 (it has hyper-threading), B250M Mobo, and... for the GPU it depends on your budget, RX 470 or GTX 1050 Ti.
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CPU: AMD A6-3650
MOBO: ASUS F1A55-MLE
GPU: XFX Radeon HD 6870
PSU: EVGA 500W1, 80+ WHITE 500W

Thanks for the fast response
 
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This would probably be one of the best bang for your buck setups on the cheap:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($84.75 @ Vuugo)
Motherboard: ASRock B250M-HDV Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($74.50 @ Vuugo)
Memory: Crucial 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($66.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Total: $226.24
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-20 23:33 EDT-0400

The G4560 is a hyper-threaded dual core, which is essentially an slightly weaker and much cheaper i3. Though this would mean that you would need to buy a B250 chipset motherboard, which would also mean getting new DDR4 ram. An older chipset motherboard would be able to fit the G4560 and DDR3, but might require a bios update to get it working.
 
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Alright thank you very much. And this mobo would provide the ability to upgrade cpus later on? Also for the 1050 Ti, what are the positives/negatives for the SC ACX Single vs the SSC ACX3.0? I see both on newegg but am unsure of the difference besides size.
 
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Thanks a lot for you're reply. It was very helpful. I chose MrN1ce9uy's answer just because he was first. Yours is still very helpful and I appreciate the detail!
 
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Yeah no worries on the DDR4 ram, LowlySkeleton gave a good option for that. Alright thanks for the info on the 1050 Ti. The RX 470 is on sale right now for $160. Seeing as the 1050 Ti is $140-160, would you recommend the RX 470 for the slight price difference? Thanks again.
 
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Awesome. I think I'm going to go with the G4560, B250M, and RX 470. Especially since 2 of you posted the same answer. Again, thank you so much! I was just getting overwhelmed with all of the options and just needed some wisdom in deciding!
 
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Cool. But just to let you know, the G4560 may bottleneck the RX 470 in CPU intensive games like Battlefield 1 multiplayer. I personally think the 1050 Ti is a better match for the G4560. You might not be able to turn the settings up as high, but it will be a smoother gaming experience. Just a thought that has me worrying.
 
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The A6-3650 is basically a AthlonII x4 with more cache and made at 32nm instead of 45nm.
While the G4560 is a great budget cpu, it's not a real quad core.

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/18577975
http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/3364083

At stock the A6-3650 sorta sux, overclocked it catches up with the G4560 in mulitcore and quad core speed. Intel's kabylake single core speed is higher.
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-A6-3650-APU-vs-Intel-Pentium-G4560/m1954vs3892
METRO REDUX BENCHMARK RESULTS
Options: Resolution: 1920 x 1080; Quality: Very High; SSAA: Off; Texture filtering: AF 16X; Motion Blur: Normal; Tesselation: Normal; VSync: Off; Advanced PhysX: Off;
Average Framerate: 69.37
Max. Framerate: 134.34 (Frame: 9392)
Min. Framerate: 22.22 (Frame: 8)

Some fsb overclocking with a better cpu cooler should get the cpu speed up. Drop the memory down to the next lower one but keep the timings and voltage for the faster speed. Mine is running at 1.475 volts with a CM212+ evo with a mod so it has 2 fans. 3.56ghz with the stock single fan and 3.61ghz with the extra fan.
The asus boards didn't go as high as gigabyte ones but you can still do some overclocking.
-YOU MUST RUN IDE COMPATIBILITY MODE IN THE BIOS FOR THE HDD BECAUSE THE SATA CONTROLLER WILL CRASH.

The HD-6870 is by far the slowest part of the system. A new cpu cooler, some overclocking, and a new much faster video card will help the most.
A card like the RX470,570, 480, 580 would be a huge upgrade and is as fast or faster than HD-6870 Tri-Fire.
A used GTX970 would be ok too.

-If you want to reuse your DDR3 memory a Skylake locked i5-6500 with a ddr3 board. Your better off putting the savings on not buying ddr4 memory into getting a i5 instead.

You will want to check this out too.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/battlefield-1-directx-12-benchmark,5017.html
and
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-radeon-rx-580-review,5020.html
 
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Alright thanks for that. I'm really wanting to play playerunknown's battlegrounds with my friend. It looks like I could do that easily. But what are your thoughts? Are you familiar with that game?
 
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.89 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon RX 480 4GB G1 Gaming Video Card ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $204.88
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-21 00:39 EDT-0400

Instead of buying the cpu cooler and overclocking.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($193.65 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock H110M-DVS/D3 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($54.00 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $247.65
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-21 00:44 EDT-0400
 
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So you are saying I could just overclock my current cpu and get a new gpu? And as far as a new setup, I am not planning on overclocking really so would a G4560, B250M, and RX 470 set up be a better option? It would also give me the availability to upgrade in the future.
 
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I suppose it's a $200 ish upgrade vs. $450 ish. If you want a more future proof cpu, the i5-6500 with a ddr3 board will give you the speed to keep up with even a used GTX1080 later on.

Yes. But rather than depend on online estimates i am using a A6-3650@3.6ghz with a GTX970 right now.

If your gaming at 1080p games like Metro 2033, Doom, Wolfenstien The new Order (it uses the Doom engine),
Sniper Ghost warrior 2 (Crysis 3, Crytek engine 3), Skyrim, Gas Guzzlers Extreme 64, Dirt2, 3, Grand Theft Auto IV,
Watch Dogs, Fear, Fear2, Unreal 3, ect. Expect to run at mostly maxed out settings and even record at 1080p using Msi afterburner. The new Steep game ran nice when i tried out the free weekend.
I don't have Battlefield 1 yet, but i am sure it would run ok on it.

-A ssd boot drive would also help too.

You can try overclocking now to see how well it will do first. With the stock cooler just boot into windows.
ONCE YOU GET A BETTER CPU COOLER TEST WITH PRIME-95, MAKE SURE NO CORES SHUT DOWN OR HAVE ERRORS.
The Asus is not known to overclock as high so expect something like 3.2ghz as your max overclock, but you never know maybe it will go a bit higher. At the stock 2.6ghz speed the A6-3650 is too slow.
-Don't forget to disable your Integrated Graphics as it wastes power and makes more heat.

 
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A final option is not to upgrade at all. The A6-3650+hd-6870 combo would make a really good retro\classic gaming system. Stop tying to run BF1 on it.

1. Set it up running mulitboot starting off with windows XP.
2. Then install windows 7 X64. (Windows 8-10 will also work) I suppose Vista x64 but that would be my last choice.

Many older games like Crysis 1 ran better in Windows XP. There is also more software and games out for XP.
XP forces DX9.0C so games that also support DX10 or 11 run faster in XP.

It should be noted that starting with the RX460-480 and GTX970 and newer they drop support for Windows XP X86 (32bit).
 
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I am wanting to play newer games, so a retro system probably isn't the way I'll go. I'm not currently trying to play BF1 or anything on it but I have tried to play PlayerUnknowns Battlegrounds with a friend and it just isn't quite playable. I am looking for a good bang for buck solution currently that I will later be able to upgrade if needed (and when I have more money). If I knew I didn't want to upgrade any further then I would definitely take your option of overclocking my current cpu and upgrading my gpu. But as that would leave me at a point where I would need to spend the money anyways to upgrade any further, I think I would be better off doing that now. With this in mind, would you say the option that MrN1ce9uy originally suggested (G4560, B250M, and RX 470) is the way to go? Or would you suggest a different option? Thanks a lot for your input by the way!
 
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Oh I thought you said it would be 200 rather than 450. So I was thinking if I was going to do that, then upgrade mobo and cpu later anyways then I might as well do it now. I guess I misunderstood. Also do not know how to overlook but I guess I could try. I'm not trying to be OCD, just trying to find the best option. But if you don't want to help anymore that's fine. That's for your input til now anyways though.
 
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