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Guys please help!!!

Which TV to buy at exactly the same price Sony or Sumsung.

I need good HDR, I know there is no standard for HDR.

Also I am going to connect it to my PC, i7 and GTX 1080 and play some games so I need it for Movies and gaming as well.

Tv's are Sony Bravia KD-55X7000D vs Samsung UA55KU6000.

http://www.harveynorman.co.nz/tv-and-audio/televisions/4k-uhd-televisions/sony-55-4k-ultra-hd-smart-led-lcd-tv.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=pricespy


https://www.farmers.co.nz/6149130
 
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Just keep in mind guys, that RTINGS.com is only so useful. They carefully measure specs, but you have to read between the lines on their overall ratings. For instance they rate the KU6000/6300 series the same 8.4/10 at gaming as the X800D/X8000D), yet they admit the Samsung is poor at handling motion, which is pretty important in gaming.

As long as you stick with a fairly decent Sony model you can't go wrong, and honestly, a few years ago, I would have never seen that coming.


More like low 30s on the X800D/X800D, even with HDR10 on. I'm hoping the X800E/X8000E will measure the...
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If I were you and you can afford it, I would consider the XBR-55X800E (not sure how the model number is designated in your area). Last year's X800D series was very popular for gaming due to very good motion handling, superb picture quality, low input lag, and HDR10 capability. This year they've added a 55" model, an external PSU (cooler running), the HDR is now the super sampling type, and the Android apps are now much faster to surf.

Plus all sizes in the X800E series are now IPS, vs last year VA for the 43" and IPS for the 49". I looked at Rtings.com reviews for both X800D and X700D, and the X800 has better picture quality. Plus the X800s have low input lag even with HDR on, Samsungs do not. Samsungs are also only low in input lag with their anti motion feature off, but that makes them high in motion blur.

Sony is even outdoing LG now in the things that are important to gamers, namely input lag, motion handling, HDR, etc.
 
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i thought the input lag hdr thing had been sorted by some software update?
 
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You mean on the UA55KU6000? Haven't found anything to verify that, except one customer claiming so on a whirlpool forum referring to a UA55KU6000W model being low in input lag with HDR, specifically on Battlefield 1 using a PS4.

Samsung customers, especially those on console, often call low input lag anything in the 50-75ms range though, because Samsung TVs, especially with HDR on, can be in the 75-100ms range at time of release. Also, and I can't stress this enough, the only way to get anywhere near low input lag on a Samsung, HDR or not, is with their anti motion feature off, but then you get high motion blur. For gaming you want both low lag and blur.

The Sony X800s are more like 33ms input lag, even with HDR on, and they also have 10 bit panels and handle motion blur very well. The UA55KU6000 is 8 bit from what I'm reading.

 
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i meant the ks7000. what you have written is really helpful to me. i personally wanted the ks7000 to do the following
1)be a pc monitor for work stuff and internet. ( 4:4:4 @ 60hz)
2) be a gr8 movie screen when i have found the place where all the hdr movies are stowed
2a) be a great immersive >50 inch size for games, ( not the fast shooting variety)
3) I like 4k as i can get closer to more real estate on my desk and i use alot of it for work
4) I like the idea of pushing back my chair to watch a movie in a higher quality than i have experienced before.
5) like many others wanting to do this pc mon/ tv crossover, i have focussed on input lag as the key stat, as in my noob tech understanding simply dont want the mouse to drag behind my movements. I had not begun to consider motion blur. In the light of these points i make and the new issue of motion blur in my choices, is there a tv you can recommend for my purposes?>
 
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What is your max budget?

I did some checking on the USA version of the UA55KU6000, which the Samsung rep I just spoke to verified is the KU6300 series. On RTINGS.com it is said to be very poor at handling motion (6.2/10), but very low in input lag (20ms - 8.3/10). Personally I'd rather have a TV that is above average at both, even if the input lag is more like 33ms. Anything in the low to mid 30s range is acceptable unless you're into competitive online shooters.

The screen is also highly reflective on the UA55KU6000, and has poor grey uniformity (6.7/10). Plus picture quality is only average (7.4/10).

The odd thing is, RTINGS.com first said the UA55KU6000 is 8 bit, then stated due to driver tweaking they found it was 10 bit, yet Sony and customers call it 8 bit. I know it uses a VA panel though, and all the Sony models I'm referring to are IPS, which in my experience is preferable, especially for movie watching.

That said, as far as I know the X7000D you're referring to is the X700D in the US, and RTINGS.com rates it's picture quality only 7/10. They say it's 10 bit though. However it has problems like poor grey and black uniformity, and poor image retention. So while it has good motion handling and fairly low (31-32ms) input lag, those other problems might become annoying.

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ku6300

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x700d

If I were you, I would consider dropping down in size slightly to a 49", and look at the 2016 Sony X800D, which may be called the X8000D in your area perhaps. RTINGS.com rates it higher in both movies and gaming.

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x800d

Like I said, there IS the 55" X800E (or maybe X8000E), but that may be as high as $2500 MSRP in your area, and maybe over $2000 even at best price since it just came out and is a higher end TV.

Let me know what you find on the 49" X800D (X8000D), especially if you can find a store to look at one.
 
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wow that is really great input. it was the orignial poster that mentioned the sony. personally the only bias i have developed so far is for the ks7000 or ku6400 because of the low input lag in 20's. however if 30's to 40's is acceptable that will really open up the field. I will now re engage goole and get back with what i find! cant thank you enough!
 
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Just keep in mind guys, that RTINGS.com is only so useful. They carefully measure specs, but you have to read between the lines on their overall ratings. For instance they rate the KU6000/6300 series the same 8.4/10 at gaming as the X800D/X8000D), yet they admit the Samsung is poor at handling motion, which is pretty important in gaming.

As long as you stick with a fairly decent Sony model you can't go wrong, and honestly, a few years ago, I would have never seen that coming.


More like low 30s on the X800D/X800D, even with HDR10 on. I'm hoping the X800E/X8000E will measure the same, but they now have super sampling HDR, so we won't know until they're properly tested. I'm sure it will likely be same with HDR off though.

Either way, I'm really impressed with Sony's acknowledgement of gamers in their TVs the last 2 years, and I even found their phone support to be better than Samsung's. You can't get a hold of them on the weekend like Samsung, but the guy I spoke to found out the new 43" model X800E is now IPS, vs last year being VA. The gal at Samsung I spoke to today did not know even about the last year's model KU6000/6300 as to whether it was VA or IPS.
 
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yes this is a real minefield
 
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