Ryzen 5 1600X V.S. Ryzen 7 1700?

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Hey guys!

Just need some general outside advice. Leaning to the 1700 because I can OC and get close to 1700X-1800X performance, but it is 80 bucks more than the 1600X and this is something I have to consider. I will be gaming, photo editing, and working with video in Premier.

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IMO, the extra 2 core are worth it for the price. As for gaming performance, you are going to have the same thing. Be sure to design your build in consideration of GPU bottleneck situation. In those situations, AMD is showing equal to the best of Intel.

That means an RX 580 or GTX 1060. Or playing at 1440p or 2160p.

Also, AMD is working better with AMD. So if you purchase a GPU, I would either wait for Vega release at the end of may, or get an RX580/480.
 

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So you mean that having an underpowered GPU is actually a good thing for 1080p? I'm currently driving a 34 inch ultrawide (1080x2560) with a 2gb GTX 680 that is part of a custom loop-I'll probably hang on to it for a while since getting a new GPU/full cover block is an expensive proposition.
 

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Since you OC, get the Ryzen 7 1700 in this case.

The Ryzen 7 1700 is just as good multithreaded as the Ryzen 5 1600X.
However the Ryzen 5 1500X has higher single thread performamce due to its higher clock. Note that the 3.0 GHz Ryzen 7 1700 can also overclock to >3.6 GHz with an overvoltage of 1.35V, which then it outpaces the Ryzen 5 1500X.

If you dont want to overclock, get the Ryzen 5 1500X as it works well for gaming out of the box with high clocks. But get a cooler as it does not come with one.

The Ryzen 7 1700 is great at stock, but excellent when overclocked. This thing comes with a good stock cooler that can OC the 1700 to at least 1800X levels (>3.6 GHz). An average clock is 3.8-3.9 GHz. From here you are looking at a 30% performance gain from OC alone, and this CPU easily beats the i7 6850K in both single thread and multithread when overclocked well, making it best value for money to you.

I assume you know how to OC as well as its risks and apply reasonable parameters in overvolting and thermals. Good luck with the silicon lottery! :)
 

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Thanks! I really hope I get a good one. I am excited: I have an 8350 and gtx680, both overclocked, in a custom loop at the moment. Removing the 125 watts of the 8350 and replacing it with a 65 watt 1700 should let me push it a decent amount!! Just hope I don't get a bad 1700.
 

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I'm going to start with like 3.7, just because I don't need any stability issues. I intend to go for 4.3-4.5 since it will be on water with a 360mm rad which is more than enough for that 65W TDP.

What does everyone thing of the Gigabyte X370 Gaming 5? Looks nice, but aside from pro reviews, I haven't seen anything on longer term use/success.
 

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Wow...I'm sorry but there's a plethera of misinformation here....

"The Ryzen 7 1700 is just as good multithreaded as the Ryzen 5 1600X" - Ok, not false but its not "just" as good, its much better. 2 more cores/4 more threads better. As such, as you'll be doing rendering work this will pay off big having more threads.

"However the Ryzen 5 1500X has higher single thread performance due to its higher clock." Not really accurate. While the base clock is 3.5 on the 1500X vs the 3.0 of the 1700, they have the same boost clock. Applications that utilize the boost clock effectively will experience the same single thread performance. If you overclock either chip they'll perform the same for single threaded calls.

"From here you are looking at a 30% performance gain from OC alone, and this CPU easily beats the i7 6850K in both single thread and multithread when overclocked well, making it best value for money to you." FALSE. I've got a 1700X here that's clocked to 3.95 and its single CPU score is only 1935 (passmark) which is still less than even a stock 6850K which scores 2156. In multithread score however, yes the 1700(and X) beats out the 6850K due to the extra cores/threads. The gap closes a bith when you OC the 6850K. As a comparison, I've actually got a 6850K here that's OC'd to 4.3 (with ease, and could go further) that scores 16081 in passmark performance test & 2500 single core. My 1700X scores 16216, but in pretty much any mult-threaded application the AMD chip will win big.

Expecting 3.8-3.9 out of a 1700 is realistic, with reasonable voltage. I wouldn't expect to hit 4.0 cleanly, though some have, but it will likely require pretty high voltage. Most folks cleanly running at 4.0, and definitely 4.1, have 1800X's. People claiming to be running 1700s at 4.0/4.1 at under 1.45v are probably not actually running stable though they think they may be. 4.1 on a 1700 is exceptionally rare, at least with reasonable voltage & heat generation. You are not going to hit 4.3-4.5 unless you're on liquid nitrogen and its gonna take a LOT of voltage.

Bottom line is it sounds like the 1700 will be a great choice for you, and OC away. Gigabyte's got some great boards out but ASRock's boards are exceptional. Unfortunately they're hard to get your hands on because they're selling out within a day when they get in stock because they're so feature-rich and have great power phases.
 

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asrock x370 taichi has been the best with overclocking the CPU and stable 3200MHz RAM. asus crosshair vi hero is 3200MHz RAM stable, and some have been able to overclock to 3600. Right now the highest overclock I've seen was 4.2 GHz, but it was not stable on water cooling. Just looking at Newegg ASRock boards have the least bad comments. Remember that not all RAM is compatible with Ryzen.
http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-ryzen-single-rank-versus-dual-rank-ddr4-memory-performance_192960/5
http://www.legitreviews.com/ddr4-memory-scaling-amd-am4-platform-best-memory-kit-amd-ryzen-cpus_192259/6

G.SKILL Flare X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 is the best offering so far for RAM and it does make a big difference. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232530
 

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Yeah, I was looking at the ASRock Newegg exclusive board, the ASRock X370 Killer SLI/ac. It has WIFI, which is a cheap feature I wish more manufacturers included for LANs at friends houses etc when you don't have the option of going ethernet (as if an 800D makes for a good LAN case, heh :pt1cable: )

However, the Gigabyte has support for RGBW strips, and has more board based lighting. I wanted the option to be able to have some sort of lighting with RAM, but it made RAM very expensive. I figure with the Gigabyte board I can at least use the built in RAM slot lighting.
 

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If you're in to the lighting aspect, definitely Gigabyte! I'm running an ASRock X370 Pro Gaming board and functionally its awesome. The wifi is rock solid & I needed dual gig interfaces. However, I came extremely close on pulling the trigger on the Gigabyte Gaming K7 cause I couldn't get my hands on the ASRock board, but finally got it. The K7 seems to do much better with memory clocking than the K5, so personally I'd go K7.
 

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I am going with pretty slow DDR4 so I am not too worried about it!