Will Intel Coffee Lake use socket LGA 1151?

MrN1ce9uy · Apr 25, 2017

boosted1g · Apr 25, 2017

Coffee Lake will for sure be on socket 1151 as it is also 14nm CPU.

Cannon Lake is also supposed to be on 1151 but will be new 10 nm CPU architecture.

MrN1ce9uy · Apr 26, 2017

boosted1g :

That's good to know! So if I purchase a Z270 chipset mobo now, I can upgrade to Coffee Lake OR Cannon Lake? Do you have a link to any confirmation of this?

Ecky · Apr 26, 2017

Should work with a BIOS update, if the above is true.

boosted1g · Apr 26, 2017

You can see clear as day on wikipedia that coffee lake and cannon lake are slated to be socket 1151.

Now a lot can change in a year and a half for cannon lake so have to take it with a small grain of salt.

Typically if the CPU uses the same socket then board vendors will release a BIOS update to support the new CPU.

On a side note I would not bother upgrading to coffeelake which will be a very minimal performance increase. Going from an i5 kaby lake to i5 coffee lake will give you at best 10% performance increase and is not worth it for the price. Cannonlake would be the soonest you would want to upgrade.

MrN1ce9uy · Apr 26, 2017

boosted1g :

Well Wikipedia is not a reliable source when it comes to pre-release info. But I have read the Coffee Lake "may" use LGA 1151.

Anyway, I also read the Coffee Lake i5 will have a 6-core variant, so that's why I'm interested.

razamatraz · May 3, 2017

I'm wondering the same thing moreso because I want to build an ultra budget rig (G4560) and have a path to the potential 6C/6T or 6C/12T Coffee Lakes that are coming. I know Ryzen is probably a better choice but if I need to stay under $350 Canadian (for Board RAM and CPU) it's impossible with Ryzen (at least until we see R3) because an R5 1400 alone is $230. This is especially applicable if Z170 will work with Coffee Lake since plenty of those boards are on for super cheap right now.

dominic2005 · Aug 3, 2017

Coffee Lake is being listed as LGA1511 v2 ... so most likely won't run on x200 series chipsets. Asrock has already confirmed this to be the case for their boards...

MrN1ce9uy · Aug 3, 2017

With Intel it's a love/hate relationship. You love to see them outperform the competition, but hate see them discontinue chipsets every two years.

https://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2017/08/02/intels-coffee-lake-cpus-not-compatible-with-z270-motherboards-says-asrock/&refURL=https://www.google.com/&referrer=https://www.google.com/

kotkotowski · Aug 3, 2017

The Coffee Lake will run on LGA1151.

MrN1ce9uy · Aug 3, 2017

kotkotowski :

Yeah but it won't be compatible with 100/200 series chipsets.

flep · Aug 3, 2017

As stated, the socket will be LGA 1151, but the chipset used will be 300 series due to a different pin configuration, so no Bios update on 100/200 series will make it work.

It's most likely that the 300 series will support both Coffee Lake and next years Cannon Lake (the chipset is listed for both, but the socket / pin configuration is not yet confirmed)

razamatraz · Aug 12, 2017

flep :

Assuming it's true (which certainly looks to be the case even though the 8700K was being tested on Z270 boards with custom bios and has the same TDP) this is an Intel cash grab that might just backfire. Once you have to buy an entire platform you might as well try out Ryzen....if I could just buy a new CPU I'd stick to Intel. On the other hand it might just be Asrock that wants to force you to buy a new board and not Intel.

nmb255 · Aug 12, 2017

razamatraz :

Micro-upgrading has for a long time been a limited ability. New CPU's often mean new sockets and new chip sets, which mean new motherboard... then you might of course need new ram, and hey what the heck a new SSD interface too.

It's been platform upgrading for a while now, with just a little amount of wiggle-room within the platform for a small CPU upgrade. I'm afraid that is just how it is.

I'm still using a 4770K [not over clocked] and waiting for the right time to jump platform. Coffee Lake is tempting, the rumor of Cannon Lake being so soon is probably all that stops me making the switch. The time is right, I'll know more once the product, prices and performance are reveled.

razamatraz · Aug 12, 2017

nmb255 :

You are certainly right that they've done it for a long time, and with Intel it's generally two generations per socket/chipset combo with the final chipset only getting one generation of CPUs. (AMD always gave a chipset two gens of CPU and stuck with a socket we just hadn't seen any in 5 years). This is a business decision though, not a technically necessary one. Intel does that so you have to buy a new motherboard if you want to upgrade more than one generation and buy their new chipset. Power draw hasn't changed much from Sandy to Coffee and 1156, 1155, 1150, 1151, 1151 again....you can't tell me they couldn't make them work with the old pinout. They just chose not to.

AMD has promised at least three generations on AM4 so Intel choosing to follow that route when they've already leaked Coffeelake chips running on Z270 boards seems like a money thing only and potentially a poor decision.

Faced with buying a new mainstream computer today you choose Intel Kabylake or Ryzen. If Coffeelake can't run on Z270 then Kaby is a dead end so Ryzen is probably a better choice. If Coffeelake actually releases in September as claimed it's still kind of dead end since Cannonlake is only months away...if they only give that platform 2 cycles Ryzen will outlast it too.

If 8700K worked with my Kaby board I would buy it launch day. If it won't Intel will lose a customer on at least one of my rigs. I don't speak for everyone but I can't be the only one annoyed by this.

flep · Aug 12, 2017

razamatraz :

As much as I wanted to Intel launch Coffee Lake on z270 (I was about to upgrade to it with a cheap CPU to get the 8700 in the future), I read a very technical explanation somewhere about the pinning and I understand.

Of course there is always the business side but there is also technology evolution, and the way the new processor best perform is with a different pinning from 1151 v1 due to having more cores and they being different distributed inside the HIS. The 200 chipset is capable of running it but the socket is not (the leaks was on a modded board with the new socket but 200 chipset).

My biggest concert is really Cannon Lake. Considering it's a new shrink we don't know yet if it will be compatible with 1151 v2, or If gets compatible will be with some lost. Either way is very bad because no one would buy a chipset/mb to be stuck with only one processor family.

I'm waiting for more details and more and more looking to AMD options for the first time in years.

mastermansion.mmg · Nov 11, 2017

MrN1ce9uy :

boosted1g :

That's good to know! So if I purchase a Z270 chipset mobo now, I can upgrade to Coffee Lake OR Cannon Lake? Do you have a link to any confirmation of this?

mastermansion.mmg · Nov 11, 2017

I know Im late and this is probably obvious by now but seeing as coffee lake has to use the z370 motherboard, the cannonlake may have to use a new motherboard. Along with the fact that it is 10nm instead of 14nm there will need to be some adjustments. At most you will definatly need a bios update.

razamatraz · Nov 14, 2017

Aad it turns out based on Asus' employees answering questions they shouldn't this was purely a business decision and they could make CoffeeLake work on at least Z270 boards (maybe not Z170, H110, H170, H270 B250, B150 etc). Of course we all knew that. I wonder if anyone would consider a "conversion kit." IE a mod BIOS and potentially a socket to socket converter to reroute power pins.

dafrahn · Dec 12, 2017

MrN1ce9uy :

From what I'm reading, 1511 CL has the same physical layout BUT the pins are changed, so sadly not backwards compatible with regular 1511. Coffee and Cannon will need a fresh motherboard

razamatraz · Dec 13, 2017

dafrahn :

Nope no compatibility without major messing around (They have got a few of them working partially on Z170) but no one who isn't a silicon engineer should be counting on it working.

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