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This is the build i have so far...https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/4gtf4C
I was just wondering what everyones opinions are, if there is anything wrong with the build, anything i need to change. I was thinking i may buy two extra fans for the case but let me know if i need anything else, if i need to change anything or if i missed something or if something doesn't work well. As well will the build be easy, thanks in advance.
 
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No inherent problems per se, but it can be greatly improved in terms of value.
I've included an IPS 1440p 144hz monitor with a GTX 1080Ti and i7 7700 which will perform very similarly to the 7700k out of the box and give you the best setup for the money.
You don't need more than a 250GB SSD, since you should only be storing software, OS and perhaps a few key games that aren't too big that you want faster loading times in on it. SSDs only make stuff load faster, 0 performance benefit.
I've also swapped out your wireless card for something better which also has Bluetooth and ac wifi.

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CPU: Intel - Core i7-7700 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor (£262.74 @ Aria PC)...
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The only "problem" that I see is the case. S340 has anemic airflow that imho is no suited well to keep high end gaming system cool and quiet.
Have a look at something like Fractal Design Define S.
As a side note, the MB is unnecessarily expensive. you can get same results with Asus Z270-A.
the saved money, can be used for better cooler or (even better) getting MX300 1.1TB SSD for ~240 pound instead of you current storage config. Single fast drive is much more convenient
 
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Will the Fractal Design Define S support all the components i have chosen and with the case will i need to add any extra fans for it. And i see your point with the SSD if i get 1TB of SSD i wont need the HDD. Is the cpu compatible with the Asus Z270-A and do you think i need to change the cpu cooler?
 
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No inherent problems per se, but it can be greatly improved in terms of value.
I've included an IPS 1440p 144hz monitor with a GTX 1080Ti and i7 7700 which will perform very similarly to the 7700k out of the box and give you the best setup for the money.
You don't need more than a 250GB SSD, since you should only be storing software, OS and perhaps a few key games that aren't too big that you want faster loading times in on it. SSDs only make stuff load faster, 0 performance benefit.
I've also swapped out your wireless card for something better which also has Bluetooth and ac wifi.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-7700 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor (£262.74 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-B250M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£66.94 @ CCL Computers)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (£97.50 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£85.97 @ BT Shop)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£41.98 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Gaming OC 11G Video Card (£653.90 @ Alza)
Case: NZXT - S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (£62.10 @ CCL Computers)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - EVO Edition 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£66.07 @ Alza)
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte - GC-WB867D-I PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter (£26.95 @ Amazon UK)
Monitor: Acer - XF270HU 27.0" 2560x1440 144Hz Monitor (£429.98 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1794.13
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-11 15:12 BST+0100
 
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Will this build allow me to play various games at full settings and also support vr games at full setting with no problems, and will it keep everything cool or will i need to add extra fans? Thanks for the help. Also for the cpu will i not need a cooler or will the cooler it comes with be good enough for me not to worry about it?
 
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Yes, yes and yes!
You should be able to max stuff out easily in every title at 1440p and get above 60fps no problem, stuff like Arma 3 might still struggle in this regard since that game is extremely demanding, but you should be set.
Keep anti aliasing at 8x in the more demanding stuff, x16 isn't necessary at 1440p imo in those more intensive titles.
Remember, you're running the best GPU on the market! :)
I didn't include a cooler since it went over the 1800 mark which I presumed was your budget, but I would recommend a decent air cooler just to be safe if you can push it a little.
Grab this, fantastic little cooler: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/LPVBD3/cryorig-cpu-cooler-m9i
 
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Define S support all you components. the case comes with 2 fans, to keep things cool and quiet it is recommended to have at least 2 intake and 2 exhaust fans, so you are going to need 2-4 additional fans.
Asus Z270-A of course supports the 7700K.
Regarding cooler, if you are not going to overclock, you don't need 7700K and Z270MB, go with Chugalug_ suggestion (except the case and storage :) ). if you do plan, you'd be better with something like Cryorig H5 or Noctua NH-U14S or NH-D15
 
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What's wrong with the case and storage? :C
The 7700k and Z270 mobo doesn't get the best performance here, not a question of whether they want to OC or not, it's whether it gets the best performance. :p
35% more GPU power sounds better to me over an overclockable CPU.
Really helps eek out that bit more that's especially evident for me with my 1080, always find i'm that little bit off in the 50ish fps range from maxing stuff out @1440p.
 
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anemic airflow for the case and I like it all on one drive for storage. 240GB is a bit not enough as games tend to be in 50+GB range these days. and from 500 to 1TB ssd is a small jump in price.
As for the performance, CPU and MB will outlive the GPU. so I generally recommend to get the best CPU over best GPU in order to avoid the hassle of upgrading CPU in less than 4-5 years.
 
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250GB for an SSD is way more than enough, why on earth would you pay $90 more just to get faster loading times in games when it can be put elsewhere for much better performance?
Make a list.
The i7 7700 will still last extremely long, no need to upgrade it for at least 4 years.
 
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I've always been told to avoid using wifi for gaming; you're better off getting a good router and some Cat5e or Cat6 Ethernet cables.

Also, while it's true that you should try to get a PSU that puts out at least 100W more than your computer needs, I don't think you'll need to go quite as high as you have. You can probably get by with a 550W or even 500W PSU; just make sure it's at least 80+ Bronze.
 
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well, I used a 240GB SSD + 1TB HDD for a while, and while HDD was able to hold all of my pr0n, the SSD was too small to fit more than 4 big games.
And I'd prefer not wait on load times even a second more than needed - but some times we are talking about over 60 seconds vs 10-20 seconds. 90$ for convenience in a high end build that cost 2K - no problem there.
In my book, ~40% performance boost for 10% price increase - worth the effort of reading a guide and doing the overclock.
Even if we are talking about out of the box experience, the 7700 is running at max 3.6GHz when 3-4 cores are used - very common with modern games. 7700K runs at 4.2GHz without touching anything - 15%. It's totally worth it even without overclocking.
And considering how easy overclocking is done by Asus SW - basically it's just click "i want more" button :)
Another point is 144Hz monitor. many games are CPU bound when we are talking about those target frame rates. So for 60Hz monitor i'd agree that non K i7 will be fine. not for 144.
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I want to upgrade my system as well (my CPU was the last K i7 that missing VT-d and I need/want it for some project) but I know that in order for it to last 4-5 years, I will need ~8 cores at ~4.5-5GHz. I also need it to have iGPU (for the same project). So meanwhile, I tried to use non K 4770 (that i can swap with my 4770K for free) and I could feel (without seeing numbers) the performance impact of going from 4.5Ghz to just 3.4GHz.
And for gaming, there is no performance difference between 4770 and 7700 on the same clock.
 
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As you say about the S340 case being anemic will adding two extra fans for the front change that and keep all of my components cool without problem, as well between cryorig h7 cpu cooler and a liquid cooler nzxt kraken x42 is the liquid cooler really worth £50 more when i don't plan on overclocking at least not for the near future? I'm going to stick with the 240gb ssd but i was told about the western digital black PCIe 256 gb ssd is it worth getting rather than 850 evo series. And if i am getting extra fans for my case should i get the same as the ones that it comes with or are there well designed ones for cooling, will i also need a fan controller of some kind?
 
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The S340 with the stock setup is fine, the H440's original version was the only one that really struggled with airflow tbh.
The WD Black SSDs aren't great, the 850 evo is much better, the 960 Evo is an even better option if you could kick out an extra $25.
If you want solid extra fans on a budget Corsair's SP120 twin packs are good value generally.
 
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Okay i just posted another review so see what people think, chose most parts. Now that you have said about the SSD i will check out the 960 evo. And getting solid extra fans like the corsairs sp120 twin will i need anything special for attaching them to the setup, motherboard, power supply, will i need a controller of such or whatever. Thanks.
 
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The "problems" with S340 is:
1. very restricted front intake. those little openings on top and bottom do not have a surface of even single fan.
2. the exhaust is planned for two fans (rear and top) so the only way to mount radiator is in front. blowing in hot air is far from optimal with GPU on air.
So yes, it is very anemic airflow and "bad" liquid cooling support. No amount of fans will solve it.

Chugulug_, just to make it clear, even your Enthoo case is in VERY bad for cooling. people with room temp above 15C have to keep side panel open to cool down overclocked CPU and high end GPU.

The Krapen X42 (as well as all others made in same factory - Corsair, EVGA, TT etc.) is not worth even a penny unless all you care about is look.
If you want to step into the liquid cooling, http://www.swiftech.com/aio.aspx
 
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There's two 140mms preinstalled in the front and one 140mm installed in the rear out of the box, great top ventilation w/ rad support as well as grills all along the basement as well as the rear IO with a footstand which gives it bottom airflow.
If that's not good airflow idk what is, their included fans are also quite good.
I second your mention of the x42 and bad radiator support in the S340, however the airflow is solid, a few extra fans can be picked up as mentioned as well.

When you refer to "People with room temp above 15C" do you mean literally anyone that isn't in a Scandinavian country without a heater?
15c indoors is freezing man lol, you're blowing this vastly out of proportion.

 
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The 15C - yeah, just a bit exaggerated :) I honestly can't say the exact limit.
For example, JayzTwoCents - opens the side panel. Singularity Computer - modifies the top of Enthoo to improve airflow.
Any non fluffy reviewer (hello HardwareCanucks) mentions restricted airflow . I mostly trust those that do custom loops - you have to have a brain to do it right :)
And the he problem is not the amount of fans (in both S340 and Enthoo) it's the size of intake/exhaust openings. too small, too few, too filtered and other reasons.
to illustrate it, try to breath through a straw. unless you are a free diver that exercises, it will be very hard for you to keep going for even a couple of minutes.
 
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Internal temp isn't an issue as long as you're not running an OC'd R9 290X, an overclocked 9590 on the stock cooler and a sandwich press inside a decent case, although exceptions can be made for the Bitfenix Nova. :p
There's plenty of intakes and exhausts in my case, and more than enough ventilation slots imo, seeing as they've crammed them in everywhere, and stuck grills on everything. The internal ambient temp of my case never breaks 35c, highest i've seen it go is 33.
Pretty much as long as you have a few fans intaking and exhausting with decent airflow you're perfectly fine.

 
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Now i'm wondering if i need to get a fractal design define case, with the case i'm not too attached to the nzxt s340 case i just want a good decent case which has good airflow and i dont have to worry about cooling.
 
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Im really not too bothered about the look or design of the case, the s340 was cool cus it had the headphone thing on the side but in your opinion which case would be best for cooling the components and good airflow. NZXT s340, fractal define s, define c, or define r5...so many choices...i just want a decent cooling case that is compatible for my components and vr. Thanks again.
 
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I'm saying the S340 has fine airflow, it isn't something you need to go into depth about.
This is why I was saying the other guy was blowing it way out of proportion.
Go with whatever you think looks nicest, whether that be the S340 Elite, P400 Tempered Glass, Enthoo Pro M Tempered Glass or Fractal's Define series.
 
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Well, eventually it's up to you which one to pick. We are just providing info for you to make an educated decision :)
the Fractal cases to look at are:
Fractal Design Define S - ultimate case for custom watercooling in the price range - very convenient to work with, good quality.
Fractal Design Define C - a more compact case with sacrifices on custom loops part with all the other advantages above.
 
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