Z270-K + Corsair vs HyperX vs LED vs Crucial

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Which one would you pick with i5-7600K + Asus Z270-K?

CMK16GX4M2B3000C15 (third cheapest)
Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3000 MHz 16 Gt (2 x 8 Gt)
15-17-17-35 1.35V

CMK16GX4M2A2400C14 (second cheapest)
Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 2400 MHz 16 Gt (2 x 8 Gt)
14-16-16-31 1.2V

CMK16GX4M2B3200C16

CMU16GX4M2C3000C15R (think they mean it's CMU16GBX4M2C3000C15?)
Corsair Vengeance LED DDR4 3000 MHz 16 Gt (2 x 8 Gt)
15-17-17-35 1.35V
(price for this is very much in the same range as the others, heatsink looks the most convincing)

HX424C15FB2K2/16
Kingston HyperX FURY DDR4 2400 MHz CL15 16 Gt (2x8)
15-15-15-35-56

HX426C15FBK2/16
Kingston HyperX FURY DDR4 2666 MHz CL15 16 Gt (2 x 8 Gt)
15-17-17-35

BLE2C8G4D26AFEA (same as BLE8G4D26AFEA.16FAD right?) (cheapest, is this junk?)
Crucial Ballistix Elite DDR4 2666 MHz 16 Gt (2 x 8 Gt)
16-17-17

Not going to overclock much but might try it later on. All options are certified by Asus. System: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-3406839/decisions-mid-range-intel-gaming-low-noise.html

Price range for the 16 GB kit quoted above is 145 to 167 eur in my local store.

Does RAM voltage make a certain difference? Suppose almost all RAM has Intel XPM nowadays? Does SS/DS make a difference?
 
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3000/15 - 1
2400/14 - 2
3200/16 - 1
3000/15 - 1
2400/15 - 3
2666/15 - 2
2666/16 - 3

1's are all roughly the same speed, all within such a small measurable gap it's not worth consideration. 2's are technically slower than 1's.
3's bring up the rear. Also to consider is bandwidth. 3200 ram has greater bandwidth than 2400, so even if you put 2400/13 up against 3200/16, while the 2400 would have a slight edge in speed, the amount of possible info shoved at the cpu is far greater from the 3200 because of bandwidth differences. A guy walking from A to B will get more actual work done carrying 2 bricks than a guy carrying just 1 brick who walks just a little faster.
That said, with the MC actually part of the cpu and ram speeds are now...

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Faster ram may or may not make any difference, depends on application, the difference between 2400 and 3200 could easily be 0 fps or as much as 20fps, or amounting to several minutes time saved in some apps. That said, there's also no guarantee that higher that 2400 will actually work at its rated speeds without user intervention. To get 3000 to work right might take small bios adjustments or may need a small OC on the cpu, that's where the Memory Controller is located. Or it might work out of the box. That aside, there's other considerations, aesthetics included. Some models are black, some colored, some led. Leds look great, but do nothing for performance, and few ppl care to look at red ram in a black/blue build. Some could care less as they won't see it anyways.

I personally would choose the led, has the most options for an equitable price, and even if it just ran at 2400 stock, it can always be bumped up to its rated 3000 when you do OC.
 
You really need to look at this in a different way ...

1. Cheapest is a matter of degree. Whether you can get something faster for $10 extra is a very different choice than whether you can get it for $100 extra.

2. The proper judgment here should be based upon the relative increase in system performance as compared with system cost. 16 GB of Corsair 2400 / CAS 16 will cost you $115 - $125 here in US ... at 3200 / CAS 16 you are talking $135 - $145. On a $1500 system, that's a 1.33 % increase in cost Speed increases from faster RAM can range from 0% to 11%, depending on the game in question, what you are measuring (average or minimum) and what system bottlenecks might otherwise exist. here's some recent data

http://techbuyersguru.com/gaming-ddr4-memory-2133-vs-26663200mhz-8gb-vs-16gb?page=3

3. The cost / performance ration right now is that it's pretty easy to justify 3200 ... after that the curve starts to rise sharply and it's harder to justify ... how hard depends upon what you are doing.

4. Heats inks are meaningless .. simply put, buy low profile, the only cooling function of those tall fancy heat sinks is to "look cool".

5. Uninformed folks have been crowing "ooh scary scary" about RAM voltages since Sandy Bridge. There is no issue here. Overclocking bears the inherent risk but with RAM we have a dual standard. JEDEC defined what is and is not OC'ing. The JEDEC standard, IIRC, for DDR-4 is currently at 2400 (don't pay much attention) and the standard dictates the voltage accordingly (again 1.20 IIRC). I don't think about it much as neither I nor most enthusiast give a hoot about what JEDEC says. The only relevant facts with regard to speeds and voltages outside the standard are:

Does the RAM manufacturer guarantee it ? Obviously
Does the CPU manufacturer guarantee it ? Check the Intel **certified compatible** XMP list
Does the RAM manufacturer guarantee it ? Check the MoBo specs

The answer is yes, they all guarantee compatibility at higher speeds and voltages. Nothing else matters.

If you go and see DDR4-5200 @ 1.6 volts on Intel's certified compatibility list than Intel has no basis to claim you violated warranty conditions.

6. The faster the RAM, generally the higher the voltage. As we see here, Intel doesn't have a problem w/ 1.5 volts ... tho starting at at 3200 1.35 (or higher at faster speeds) will typically be the recommended voltage

http://www.legitreviews.com/what-is-the-safe-voltage-range-for-ddr4-memory-overclocking_150115

7. LEDs are a fad that I suspect will be "so last season" in 6 months. I like LEDs when used to illuminate the interior of a box... but the flashy flashy stuff just screams "I'm 13 and ain't I cool".

8. We have never built a box where the RAM that was on any manufacturer's QVL ... not something most enthusiasts ever thing about.
 

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True. All of the above. Don't think I've ever built a pc with the specific ram from a QVL, those are test models mainly and if 1 model works, a different model is gonna work to as model #s change according to everything from color to heatsink, yet use the same IC's.
I like leds when used as accent color, not bling, I'm a long way from 13 :)
Before leds arrived, the heatsink was the 'accent' with oversized heatsinks on ram like the g-skill Rip-Jaws series etc making the biggest statement. Heatsinks don't do much, but they do do a little and a decent heatsink looks a damn site better in an expensive pc than unadorned sticks.

Intel certifies 2133@1.35v (skylake) or 2400@1.35v (kabylake) and thats it. Anything over that is user defined, OC, whatever, as long as the speed rating and voltage apply to the motherboard. You'll not get 3200 to work on a H110 board without a minor miracle.
 

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Thanks guys!

I read that on Ryzen the speeds at 3000 MHz and beyond are indeed worthwhile but on Intel CPUs the difference is not that huge.

By default my MB will run the RAM at 2133MHz and overclocking I'll only possibly start later on, and remain conservative with it to avoid any problems. Wouldn't 2133->3000 be quite a jump even if the RAM supports it? (How does MB + CPU scale?)

The second cheapest option (at 2400MHz) in the above list sounds attractive as it's also got the lowest CAS latency on this list, won't that also matter somewhat?

Most likely I don't need any memory upgrades with 16GB, should be plenty and probably will last the computer's lifetime.
 

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3000/15 - 1
2400/14 - 2
3200/16 - 1
3000/15 - 1
2400/15 - 3
2666/15 - 2
2666/16 - 3

1's are all roughly the same speed, all within such a small measurable gap it's not worth consideration. 2's are technically slower than 1's.
3's bring up the rear. Also to consider is bandwidth. 3200 ram has greater bandwidth than 2400, so even if you put 2400/13 up against 3200/16, while the 2400 would have a slight edge in speed, the amount of possible info shoved at the cpu is far greater from the 3200 because of bandwidth differences. A guy walking from A to B will get more actual work done carrying 2 bricks than a guy carrying just 1 brick who walks just a little faster.
That said, with the MC actually part of the cpu and ram speeds are now closing the gap of the cpu clock, Cas has far less affect on performance than it used to. Speed (especially with AMD's Infinity Fabric version of Hyperthreading) is of greater use than Cas.
 
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In that case, maybe I'm gonna order that LED RAM tonight! And overclock to 2666 in 2 years' time.

Starting to be old enough to utilize excuses to behave like a 13 year old! (Besides a good idea to have at least something to impress younger relatives who actually are around 13.) The RAM and MB LEDs are going to look great on my white windowed case! Don't have much other LEDs than that...
 

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CMU memory is not in Intel's XMP list! Is this an issue? There is plenty of Corsair chips but not these, do they hate LEDs at Intel or what???



Yeah my thoughts too! It's important that it matches. No LEDs is fine too if the puter performs
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Think of it this way. Corsair alone has 3 major lines, the Ballistic, Vengeance and Dominators. In each of those lines is 100+ different models, as each color, heatsink, speed, voltage, timing change requires a different model number. So in just Corsair you are looking at somewhere over 1000 different models or better with the minor lines. Now figure that's roughly equal for every other brand, but some like g-skill have 5 or 6 major lines, so you are easily looking at over 50,000 different models. For any manufacturer this would be a monumental task to accomplish, just on one model motherboard, as you figure that each model ram is tested on that mobo using 2-5 different kits. You'd end up with a QVL of well over a million verified models/kits per motherboard. If you figure Asus alone has over 40 different mobo's still in active production, they'd go broke paying ppl to test that many ram sticks.
So they don't. They'll select a few, or get donated a few different models per brand and call it a day, figuring if g-skill 3200 Samsung B work, then 3000 will also, as will 2133 etc. And color or heatsink isn't an issue, just the actual ic's. So out of 50,000 models, 10-15 get tested/certified. If looking at a QVL for 2400 ram and there are 0 Corsair's, safe bet no Corsair will work correctly, if there's a set of Vengeance LPX, safe bet any other LPX model at 2400 will work. No guarantees, but at least a good chance.
Led models are still the exact same ram as non led, they just have fancy lighting on the heatsink. No different than a red heatsink vrs blue.

HX424C15FB2K2/16
That's a Kingston HyperX you listed. It reads like this.
HX (HyperX)
4 (ddr4)
24 (2400 speed)
C15 (Cas 15)
FB2K2 is that particular model number. In that model number is the heatsink, color, kit (2 dimms so it'd be K4 for a 4x? Kit) etc
/16 is the size. (K2 /8 would be a 2x4gb kit, K1 /8 would be a single 8Gb stick)

CMK16GX4M2B3200C16
CMU16GX4M2C3000C15
Same thing. CMK is standard Vengeance, CMU is led, both 16Gb kits of ddr4, one being 3200 C16, the other being 3000 C15.
 

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I think it all makes sense. Corsair has this model with three different colour of LEDs too ;)

Actually Intel's testing is so patchy I'd be surprised if people's XMP compatible RAM is listed. Just 18 pages for all (LGA 1151?) documentation! Asus has 19 pages for just this one MB - although anything past 3000MHz is so patchily tested it's just mostly empty pages.

Like only a dozen chips are listed for 7600K, no models from Corsair. Not sure what the testing by Intel tells us, besides the handful of models listed maybe working 100% guaranteed.
 

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Intel runs 2133 (skylake) 2400 (kabylake). That's it. Anything over those speeds is considered OC and is entirely on the mobo, nothing to do with Intel other than what Intel defines for their own boards. XMP is nothing more than predetermined settings for timings, voltage, speeds according to the jadec tables. Just saves ppl the hassle of trying to figure out the correct settings for all 30+ timings, voltage etc when moving from 2133MHz to 2666MHz etc. (the 9-9-9-27 2T common for 1600 is only the Primary timings, there's secondary and tertiary timings beyond those, over 30 usually, and it's in those 2 sets where most incompatibilities are found). XMP is just a preset profile reading those directly off the ram itself. For ddr4 this usually includes every setting below rated speed, so for 2666 you'll also find on the jadec table 2400, 2133 and 1866 but xmp #1 would be 2666