Ram latency questions

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Hi

Currently looking at purchasing some ddr4 ram fir my new build and noticed I can go considerably high with the mhz due to the motherboard which is Asus Roger z270 maximus ix formula, I plan to purchase g.skill trident z rgb DDR4-3866MHz (PC4-30900), 16GB (8GBx2), CL18-19-19-39, 1.35 volt, Unbuffered, Dual Channel, with full length RGB LED light bar
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But I am unsure if it slower than any of the other ram modules I.e g.skill trident z rgb DDR4-3600MHz (PC4-28800), 16GB (8GBx2), CL16-16-16-36, 1.35 volt, Unbuffered, Dual Channel, I read a.very useful description from another user on these pages but I'm still unsure as it is a 10 layer PCB etc if someone could explain it to me please that would be excellent before I purchase my ram.
 
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Thanks for your input now this is where I have seen a comment from someone on these forums called Pinhedd and this is where I got confused with it all...... Here's the text



"While I appreciate that you are both trying to be helpful, you're both completely wrong.

Synchronous DRAM (SDRAM) timings are measured in clock cycles. DDR SDRAM transfers data twice per clock cycle, once on the rising edge of the clock, and once on the falling edge of the clock.

DDR3 and DDR4 both use burst lengths of eight, which means that every read command results in eight words being transferred from the selected SDRAM rank to the memory controller, and that every write command results in eight words being transferred from the memory controller to the selected SDRAM rank.

CAS latency, or Column Address Strobe latency, is more appropriately described as read-to-data-ready delay. It's the amount of time, measured in clock cycles, between a read command being latched on the Command Bus, and the first word of the ensuing burst being strobed onto the IO bus. Subsequent words are strobed every half cycle with the eighth word being strobed 3.5 cycles after the first word has been strobed; it follows logically that the first word of the next read command will be strobed 4 cycles after the first word of the referenced read command. This important timing, called Tburst, is a constant of 4 cycles for DDR3 and DDR4, and a constant of 2 cycles for DDR2.

DDR4-2400 has a reference clock of 1,200Mhz and DDR4-3000 has a reference clock of 1,500Mhz.

The clock period for DDR4-2400 is 1/(1.2E9) = 833 picoseconds

The clock period for DDR4-3000 is 1(1.5E9) = 666 picoseconds.

Time to first word for DDR4-2400 CAS 15
15 * 833 ps = 12.5 ns

Time to first word for DDR4-3000 CAS 18
18 * 666 ps = 12 ns

Time to eighth word for DDR4-2400 CAS 15
(15 * 833 ps) + (3.5 * 833 ps) = 15.41 ns

Time to eighth word for DDR4-3000 CAS 18
(18 * 666 ps) + (3.5 * 666 ps) = 14.3 ns

Time to sixteenth word for DDR4-2400 CAS 15
(15 * 833 ps) + (7.5 * 833 ps) = 18.75 ns

Time to sixteenth word for DDR4-3000 CAS 18
(18 * 666 ps) + (7.5 * 666 ps) = 17 ns

DDR4-3000 CAS 18 not only has 25% more bus bandwidth, but it gets data to and from the ranks noticeably quicker, moreso when the data is pipelined.

At the end of the day, memory controllers are tasked with keeping the SDRAM IO busses busy. As long as they're kept busy, CAS is of very little importance"
 
OK. But it is not quite clear what you are asking for now?

The approximate effective memory latencies for the two modules were determined using the four main timing parameters - CAS, t[sub]RCD[/sub], t[sub]RP[/sub], and t[sub]RAS[/sub].

DDR4-3866 latency was ~ 88 ns
DDR4-3600 latency was ~ 79 ns
 

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What I am asking for is which ram module is quicker and more responsive from the rgb trident z family than all the others because what I will be doing for the new build is using igpu for a whilt until I save for a gpu in the future, reading on the g.skill ram there is cl 16 17 18 etc and I'm not sure entirely which one is that of what I am asking it's trolly confusing me haha
 


I'd go with the DDR4-3600, or perhaps something even lower. Both DDR4-3600 and DDR4-3866 require massive overclocks of the memory controller. The greater the overclock, the tougher it is to obtain stability. Beyond a point it's not enough to simply plug in the DIMMs and enable XMP; you'll have to perform extensive and time consuming stability tweaking. This can be a fun exercise but it can also be a frustrating one.

In any event, what's the price difference?
 

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It's £219 for 3600 and £263 for 3866 I didn't think the i7 7700k and Asus maximus ix formula z270 would struggle with 3866 or even higher since the quoted mhz from the motherboard is 4133 o.c
 


The motherboard has little to no impact on stability. The 4,133 OC on the MB is little more than marketing. All it means is that the MB's firmware is capable of configuring the IMC to a data rate of 4,133 mbps. In all honesty, I'd go for the DDR4-3600, it's cheaper and virtually guaranteed to be less of a headache in the long run.
 
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OK, any idea of how well the ram makes the igpu on i7 7700K perform on the likes of guild wars 2?