AMD computer weird performance problems

MrShakedown

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Hi everyone,


The specs of my computer:

- AMD FX-9370 Vishera 8-Core, Black Edition
- RX 480 8GB Red Devil
- G.SKILL Ripjaws X 16 GB (2x8)
- ASUS Sabertooth 990 FX 2.0
- Samsung EVO 750 SSD - 250 GB
- NZXT X61 Kraken Water Cooler
- Corsair VS650 Power Supply

I had this rig for half a year now, and I am finally ready to give up on it.

No matter what I do, majority of the games I play seem to develop weird lag / stutter / performance issues.

The games I play are Elite Dangerous, Tom Clancy's Division, War Thunder, World of Warships etc, and every single one of them have performance issues.

I have ruled out the graphics card, because no matter if i set it on ultra or on lowest setting within all above mentioned games, the performance issues are always the same.

The weird part about the performance, is that all games work fine at some points , and lag at others, mostly when there is a lot of stuff happening on the screen, and I also noticed that the computer seems to struggle when loading in shadows , as i can see them popping in in the distance on all the above mentioned games, something that I never seen on other computers I had and while watching streams etc.


Here are a few screenshots of monitoring done while playing a bit of War Thunder when severe lagging occured:

http://imgur.com/a/hxYu7

I have tried thousands of fixes and remedies:
- Core parking
- Reapplying thermal paste
- Underclocking cpu
- Overclocking cpu
- Disabling Cool'n'Quiet
- Disabling Turbo Core Technology
- Disabling APM
- Force-Enabling all cores in BIOS
- Replacing both RAM sticks
- Disabling / enabling various recomended things in the BIOS
- Reinstalling windows
- Installing windows 7
- Installing windows 8
- Going back to windows 10
- Messing with power settings in BIOS
- Messing with power settings in Windows
- Disabling some of the recommended windows processes
- Enabling them back again
- Monitoring my CPU temperatures making sure it doesn't go over 50c etc
- Monitoring my GPU temperatures making sure it doesn't go over 65c
- Setting GPU settings in Wattman to steady frequancy and voltage instead of auto to prevent throttling
- Switching RAM sticks around different slots (making sure it's in channel mode)
- Switching GPU slots to make sure one of them isn't malfunctioning or something

And these are the ones I remmember for now, but I've done much more than this, and there was no change whatsover, sometimes symptoms were worse, sometimes were slighly better but overall , even when playing low performance games like stupid Cloud Pirates, there's still a huge FPS drop when alot is happening on screen.

One thing to mention, game For Honor seems to be running just perfectly, even tho it's probably the most graphically intensive game out of all that I play, and is the only game that exhibits none of the symptoms at all, not sure what's that all about.

But basically this forum is my last hope, I reinstalled the windows one last time, computer is now running everything on default settings as commanded by the fresh reinstall and loading of the default settings in BIOS.

You guys will decide if this computer get's to stay in my house or will I throw it out the window so it can torment me no longer.

I will fully co-operate and run the tests required and do what I am told in general.

Thank you all in advance!
 
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It saddens me to have to hear this. The most likely culprit at this point is your CPU. I've read up on AMD optimizing for honor back in february https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/amd-radeon-crimson-relive-edition/ so that could be why you can cope with it. I've played war thunder running on a 7970 and still looked gorgeous, so I can probably rule out your GPU. I did notice a high amount of FB usage, which is a little bit odd, but not abnormal. Is it possible for you to try your GPU in a friend's PC? The most important thing we can do is rule out components one by one, although I'm definitely suspecting the CPU at this point. Since the old vishera/bulldozer cores aren't terribly well optimized, it could be why you're experiencing a...

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If you look at your second picture the game is maxing out your CPU. Whichever game that was it's only using 1 core which is a problem with the old bulldozer chips. Basically it's going to struggle with any game that doesn't utilize more than 1 or 2 cores
 
It saddens me to have to hear this. The most likely culprit at this point is your CPU. I've read up on AMD optimizing for honor back in february https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/amd-radeon-crimson-relive-edition/ so that could be why you can cope with it. I've played war thunder running on a 7970 and still looked gorgeous, so I can probably rule out your GPU. I did notice a high amount of FB usage, which is a little bit odd, but not abnormal. Is it possible for you to try your GPU in a friend's PC? The most important thing we can do is rule out components one by one, although I'm definitely suspecting the CPU at this point. Since the old vishera/bulldozer cores aren't terribly well optimized, it could be why you're experiencing a lot of stuttering, since the CPU is usually the one responsible for doing that. Keep in mind that the CPU is the one actually computing these shadows, and the GPU only processes them into data for your monitor output, as I'm sure you already know.
 
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MrShakedown

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Ah, I see, but I get the same performance on a lot of games that I play, is there anything I can do with the settings or BIOS or this is just a bad CPU that I should get rid of?
 
Honestly the safest method would be to just keep your GPU and PSU, and uprade the CPU, board, and RAM. It's up to you whether you want to go with Ryzen or Kaby Lake (I personally prefer ryzen.) Just BE SURE to keep the packaging intact and buy from a source with a reputable return policy. Keep in mind for both, you'd need to get DDR4 sticks. There's nothing much BIOS fixes can do about a faulty/aging CPU. I believe it's nearly 4 years if not older now.
 

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I wouldn't say it's a bad CPU it's just getting out dated. Really the bulldozer chips where behind the curve when they were released. I was an Fx-6300 owner and it pretty much stayed maxed on most games and this was last year. IPC of those chips is terrible. I just upgraded to Ryzen and man am I glad I did. It's a godsend if you don't want to go with Intel.
 

MrShakedown

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I see, but I am very confused then, why can my friend run the same games that I mentioned here, with the FX 8350 CPU . same motherboard, same ram, and RX 470 with no problems whatsover.

I bought this computer to have better parts than his and ended up with poorer performance, how can that be
 

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One thing that may help you in the mean time is turning down some of the CPU intensive graphics settings like particle effects, shadows, and things like that. That should reduce some of the load on the CPU during those heavy usage events.
 
That all comes down to production quality. Overall that line of processors is quite iffy nowadays. I'm not extremely vested in the 9300 series, but it could be that AMD lowered the IPC (instructions per clock) of each core in the 9300 series and then just clocked them higher to compensate and add a little bit "better" performance. I'm not too sure on that concept though.
 

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They're the same chip basically. Yours is just factory overclocked to a much higher clock rate which is why they run so hot and require heavy cooling. It could also be what settings you're both running at. If he is running at high settings and you're running Ultra he'll actually get better performance because he has less load on his CPU. Unfortunately the FX chips are a bottleneck. To go back to your slides you'll see how low your GPU usage is and how high the CPU usage is.
 

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He says that he's also running on ultra.

Sigh, I guess I'll get rid of this rig completely and get a new one...

What a waste of time, money and effort, thank you for your comments guys, they helped lots
 

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On the upside with a Ryzen or equal Intel chip you'll blow your buddy out of the water in FPS.