new AMD Ryzen 1700x frames rates dropped from 144 to 25-30 what hardware could it be

Jirvinh · May 16, 2017

I built a amd ryzen 1700x based computer on a msi x370 titanium motherboard with the gskill flarex 3200 2x8 memory kit.
I have a NVMe 960 evo m.2 for boot drive and another crucial sata m.2 along with a internal sata and spinning hard drive.

My frame rates dropped on all games from 144 to 24-30. It is really disappointing.
I have read through many posts about frame rate drop. they say it can be the cpu or power supply. I ordered both new of them and will try replacing one at a time to see if it fixes it.

I wonder if anyone has any ideas what I might try until then?
I over clocked the cpu to 3.83 Ghz the 3200 memory will only go to 2933.
I put in a new evga geforce gtx 1080 superclocked graphics card and updated the drivers and thats when the problem started but I think by coincidence. I took that card back out and put it in another amd ryzen 1700 build I have on a msi pro carbon MB and it works fine in there. that build runs flawless. I put the geforce gtx 1070 back in the build Im having trouble with and it was the same.

I guess Im asking for ideas on what could have caused this 1700x ryzen build to start performing so poorly. I updated the bios in both the Titanium and the pro Carbon.

I dropped a new processor in, AMD Ryzen 5 1600X, at auto clock and it didn't change the frame rates at all. I over clocked it to 3900 and I got 60 fps occasionally dropping to 59. So it was the CPU and may have been the artic silver thermal past on the edge of the processor pins.

Well it ran great then it went bad again. tested with Unigine benchmark and its back to 40fps

JamesSneed · May 16, 2017

That is an odd issue. Have you tried reinstalling the Nvidia drivers since installing the 1070 by choosing a custom install and checking the "perform clean install" box?

Ditt44 · May 17, 2017

I can think of two minor things...
- revert all your hardware to stock speeds, undo your OC settings for now;
- try an older Nvidia driver version, go back one or two releases and see if that makes a difference.

Were your frames on the 1700x ever 144? Or are you comparing that board to the 1700/1070 GPU?

What is your baseline? Wondering this because if you put the 1700x together and got bad frame rates, it makes a difference vs. 'had' 144 and now get '30'. I'm leaning toward a motherboard issue.

And, which drive are you loading the games from? M.2-1, M.2-2, SSD or HDD? Or is it the same regardless of host drive?

Jirvinh · May 17, 2017

When I had the gtx 1080 in this rig I tried going back 3 drivers and it didnt help. the both the 1080 and the 1070 run great it the other rig with the latest drivers. Each time I installed the new drivers I ran a graphic driver uninstall program and did do a clean install after that. I dont think its drivers.
the msi MS-7a32 Titanium is suppose to be MSI's best AM$ motherboard.

the drive the game is on, farm sim 17, doesn't seem to matter. I have it on the internal ssd. Its odd about farm sim when im moving one way on the map I get 40 fps and when I turn 180 I get 25-30 fps.
when I run Unigine superposition bench it does a little better than farm sim but still stumbles on low frame rates and low average fps. it runs on the NVMe drive c I suppose.

I tested the cpu in Cinabench and it ran fine. that would tell if it was the cpu woudnt it?

I also reinstalled win 10 when I put in the 960 EVO.

I was watching windows performance monitor on a separate display and farm sim seems to but alot of pressure on CPU 0 and not on the other cores. I noticed when I got the bad stumbling and stalling the cpu 0 was hitting 100%. I monitored temps with AMD Ryzen master and they stayed around 40C. Im using the latest amd chipset drivers with RYZEN balanced power plan.

Ditt44 · May 17, 2017

Wondering if your PCIe slot is damaged somehow? It seems the lowest common denominator at the moment. Also, what if you take the game drive, if not C: and put the drive in the other PC... just to check out the drive itself and the read/write etc.???

I wanted to buy that Titanium board but the more I read and thought about it, the less I liked it, other than it's looks...it's beautiful. But, in the end I went with the Taichi and could not be more happy, so far

I just had a crazy thought, reading over your last post before I hit 'submit'.... is there ANY chance you got SATA-II cables mixed into your system and not IIIs??? Wild question, I know. Not that they should drag you down that much, but spit-balling atm.

I have the same RAM and a Samsung 960 Evo/500 as my M.2/OS drive. FWTW.

Jirvinh · May 17, 2017

Ditt44 :

I didnt know there were sata II and III cables I might have put an old cable I had in it I'll check.
I saw a utube vid showing the titanium VRM was the greatest but sufficient.
I have seen real good reviews on the Taichi.
I actually have a msi tomahawk i bought at the release of the am4 that was all available.

I tried the graphics card in the other pcie 4 slot on the MO board and that didnt help.
I also tried installing the farm sim 17 on the M.2 SATA drive and that didnt help.

Ditt44 · May 17, 2017

I think it's your board. Sadly. Maybe someone else will pop in and help out.

I waited into May on purpose to allow BIOS changes to catch up. The fact you couldn't find a Taichi anywhere in the western hemisphere helped. I lucked into a batch on newegg late one Friday afternoon. I managed my panic well and got the order done. Three days later, they're in stock almost all the time.

IF you choose to swap out the Titanium, I recommend the Taichi. I can't see needing another board for several years. I hung on to my Sabertooth v1 990FX for almost six years and it's still going strong.... actually guilty to retire it.

Jirvinh · May 17, 2017

Ditt44 :

I've been building AMD based computers since 1999. I have a closet full of boards mostly msi. I ran win98 on my first build. I have a 8 core amd FX build in the living room I watch UTUBE and CBS live on but I'll retire it when I end up with yet another RYZEN build from this fiasco.
I ordered a Taichi from newegg this morning.

Jirvinh · May 17, 2017

I got another cpu and when i took out the 1700x I noticed it had some thermal compound along the edge of the processor outside pins. I wonder if the thermal compound is a conductor is a conductor and should not be on the pins?
I cleaned it off real good anyway with a magnifying glass and alcohol on a cutip and toothpick.

Jirvinh · May 17, 2017

Well the new CPU fixed it it ran good then it went bad again. I didnt even reboot. It just went south.
What does that say about it?

Ditt44 · May 18, 2017

I think you had some issues due to the overflow of compound, no doubt about that. If a new CPU also crashed, I have to think perhaps the socket is bad... and if some of the compound got into the socket...??? If either of the CPUs fail in the Taichi, that narrows the issue down. See how the new board runs with the new CPU first.

Jirvinh · May 18, 2017

Ditt44 :

The computer didnt crash. THE fps dropped back to what they were before I replaced the cpu.

Jirvinh · May 18, 2017

Ditt44 :

I found out cleaning the pins is not optimal. I put the 1700x into the tomahawk I had and it a pin must have been bent. it broke a pin. Im wondering if its better to dip the cpu in alcohol and swish it around to clean it. I don't think alcohol would hurt it. But Im never going to get thermal grease on the pins again. I hope. I use the pea size glob in the middle but it still seems to squash out to the edge.

Jirvinh · May 21, 2017

Update: My new build with the x270 Taichi was running farm sim good until today when the framerates again dropped like befor. I couldn't believe it. Then I remembered I was overclocking the RAM last evening. Its Gskill FlareX optimized for ryzen 3200. I wants to run at 2400. I clocked it to 2666. I put all the ram setting back to auto in the bios and the framerates came back up.

That could have been what was wrong all along. I also got a lower cinebench score with the ram set to 2666 and higher with 2400.

Ditt44 · May 23, 2017

I have the same RAM and after I updated the BIOS, I was able to select "3200" and it's been perfect since. No idea why yours wouldn't be at 3200. I also see no need, at this point, to OC the RAM. Perhaps later with more BIOS updates to allow higher rates, but for now you're just taking risks. I would never submerge a CPU. Your pea sized paste might be more bean sized

Jirvinh · May 23, 2017

Ditt44 :

Yea I was thinking bean.
Do you have 2 sticks of ram working or 4.

Ditt44 · May 24, 2017

I actually use about a large rice grain sized amount of paste. I think even 'pea sized' may be too much.

Only two sticks. Four will slow everything down. There are charts around here showing the speeds for RAM in A2, B2 at 3200+ but if all four are used, you're talking low 2000s. I forget the exact numbers. Two 8GB stick of the G. Skill are more than enough for most use cases.

Jirvinh · May 24, 2017

Ditt44 :

I remember now I was spreading the arctic silver on with a credit card. Clear out to the edge. That's for sure going to have it squish out the edge. This Ole dog is still learning lessons.

Priyank Kumar · May 24, 2017

Ditt44 :

Did you select the speed in XMP profiles?

Ditt44 · May 24, 2017

Jirvinh: I gave up the spread method years ago. One nice plug rice grain dead center.

Priyank: Yes. In the BIOS, after the flash to 2.20 the option was available. It may have been initially, but I didn't bother to look as I was just going step by step methodically to get the system stable. I have not disabled or enabled anything. I have left everything other than the RAM speed and fan speeds at stock for now... other than playing briefly with the CPU OC...which went to 3.95 at stock voltage. I reset it also to stock shortly after.

Priyank Kumar · May 24, 2017

Ditt44 :

Thanks for the reply! I am getting my PC soon, you mind if I PM you then regarding how to go about getting things stabilized and OCing RAM and CPU?

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