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Build advice for a 1080p gaming and animation & video editing/rendering build

Guys,

Turning to you guys again for some build advice, please do lend me your expert opinions

I am building a PC for my friend and the requirements are as follows
- do some 1080p gaming
- animation and multi media tasks including video editing / rendering
- softwares include Illustrator, Photoshop, Premiere Pro, Audition, Flash, After effects, 3Ds Max, Maya.

Budget is around 60K (dont need a monitor and kb/m, all other components needed)

Having just built a gaming PC, I know that the i5 would suffice for all 1080p gaming needs. But given that video editing etc and animation is not my forte, I am turning to you experts for advice. I have included as much information as I can in terms of tasks and softwares to be used.

If there is any other information that is needed please do let me know - I primarily need advice on the CPU/MB and GPU front. I assume the rest would fall into place once those core components are decided. Also given that I stay in India, my budget is in INR. I know that the US prices are much more competitive but I assume that the 60k budget would suffice. Please do give suggestions for all components if that is more sensible in terms of assembling the whole system.

Peace,
Ananth

PS : Just to confirm, this is a build from scratch, no existing parts that can be reused in the build.
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  1. For animation and multi media tasks including video editing / rendering, softwares that include Illustrator, Photoshop, Premiere Pro, Audition, Flash, After effects, 3Ds Max, Maya.ou should get The i7 7700k or the rayzen 7 1700. And for a video card for 1080p the GTX 1060 6GB or the RX 580.

    CPU i7 7700K https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Desktop-Processor-i7-7700K-BX80677I77700K/dp/B01MXSI216/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1495040631&sr=1-1&keywords=i7+7700k
    Asus Trix Motherboard https://www.amazon.com/ROG-STRIX-B250F-GAMING-Motherboard/dp/B01MTXYB5W/ref=sr_1_10?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1495040825&sr=1-10&keywords=1151+motherboard
    Or Asus Hero https://www.amazon.com/MAXIMUS-VIII-HERO-ALPHA-Motherboards/dp/B017RI8UYA/ref=sr_1_27?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1495041496&sr=1-27&keywords=1151+motherboard


    Ryzen 1700https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Processor-Wraith-Cooler-YD1700BBAEBOX/dp/B06WP5YCX6/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1495040700&sr=1-1&keywords=ryzen
    Asus Prime Motherboardhttps://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Prime-B350-Plus-Ryzen-Motherboard/dp/B06X416NJ1/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1495040751&sr=1-3&keywords=am4+motherboard
    Or a better Asus Motherboard https://www.amazon.com/ROG-Crosshair-VI-Hero-Motherboard/dp/B06W2L6GBX/ref=sr_1_11?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1495041246&sr=1-11&keywords=am4+motherboard


    Rx 580 4GB https://www.amazon.com/MSI-Graphic-RX-580-GAMING/dp/B06XZRWT8D/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1495041682&sr=1-2&keywords=rx+580

    I'll go for this card GTX 1060 6GB https://www.amazon.com/MSI-GAMING-GTX-1060-6G/dp/B01IEKYD5U/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1495041752&sr=1-2&keywords=GTX+1060
  2. For the CPU I'd recommend a ryzen 1600 and a b350 mobo. Then either a gtx 1060 or Radeon 480/580. Not sure about prices or availability in India but I hope this helped
  3. ryzen 7 and a gtx 1060 6gb, would be perfect for your needs.
  4. YoAndy said:
    For animation and multi media tasks including video editing / rendering, softwares that include Illustrator, Photoshop, Premiere Pro, Audition, Flash, After effects, 3Ds Max, Maya.ou should get The i7 7700k or the rayzen 7 1700. And for a video card for 1080p the GTX 1060 6GB or the RX 580.

    CPU i7 7700K https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Desktop-Processor-i7-7700K-BX80677I77700K/dp/B01MXSI216/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1495040631&sr=1-1&keywords=i7+7700k
    Asus Trix Motherboard https://www.amazon.com/ROG-STRIX-B250F-GAMING-Motherboard/dp/B01MTXYB5W/ref=sr_1_10?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1495040825&sr=1-10&keywords=1151+motherboard
    Or Asus Hero https://www.amazon.com/MAXIMUS-VIII-HERO-ALPHA-Motherboards/dp/B017RI8UYA/ref=sr_1_27?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1495041496&sr=1-27&keywords=1151+motherboard


    Ryzen 1700https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Processor-Wraith-Cooler-YD1700BBAEBOX/dp/B06WP5YCX6/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1495040700&sr=1-1&keywords=ryzen
    Asus Prime Motherboardhttps://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Prime-B350-Plus-Ryzen-Motherboard/dp/B06X416NJ1/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1495040751&sr=1-3&keywords=am4+motherboard
    Or a better Asus Motherboard https://www.amazon.com/ROG-Crosshair-VI-Hero-Motherboard/dp/B06W2L6GBX/ref=sr_1_11?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1495041246&sr=1-11&keywords=am4+motherboard


    Rx 580 4GB https://www.amazon.com/MSI-Graphic-RX-580-GAMING/dp/B06XZRWT8D/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1495041682&sr=1-2&keywords=rx+580

    I'll go for this card GTX 1060 6GB https://www.amazon.com/MSI-GAMING-GTX-1060-6G/dp/B01IEKYD5U/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1495041752&sr=1-2&keywords=GTX+1060


    I had nailed down the 1060 but I was not sure about the CPU. Is a 7600 good enough too? Also OCing is nowhere on the cards, so can I stick to the non-k processors, so do OC CPUs help anyway? Trying to be a little cost effective in terms of budget as I still need to account for everything from cabinet, PSU to a KB/M !!!!
  5. chalky16 said:
    For the CPU I'd recommend a ryzen 1600 and a b350 mobo. Then either a gtx 1060 or Radeon 480/580. Not sure about prices or availability in India but I hope this helped


    Ryzen 5 is good enough for all this? I was thinking minimun ryzen 7 and then I settled on the i7 series as they were comparable in price here

    http://www.amazon.in/AMD-RYZEN-OCTA-CORE-PROCESSOR/dp/B06WP5YCX6/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1495045632&sr=8-2&keywords=ryzen+1600

    http://www.amazon.in/Intel-Desktop-Processor-i7-7700K-BX80677I77700K/dp/B01LTI1JEM/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1495045716&sr=1-1&keywords=i7+7700k
  6. rostrow416 said:
    ryzen 7 and a gtx 1060 6gb, would be perfect for your needs.


    Even if the i7 700k and ryzen 7 are comparable in prices?
  7. You would be better off with more threads, the 7700 or 1700 give you at least double the threads of the 7600.
  8. The Ryzen 5 1600/1600x, would be a good choice also. They can out multitask a quad core i7.
  9. rostrow416 said:
    You would be better off with more threads, the 7700 or 1700 give you at least double the threads of the 7600.


    What about considering the sky lake series - but the difference in price is just 2.5K INR.... Looks like 7700k is better. What about just 7700, does the OC capabilities matter if OC is not in the cards?
  10. Gaming wise, your GPU is going to matter quite a bit more. The price difference between an i7, and a 1600/1600x could allow for a much better GPU.
  11. logainofhades said:
    The Ryzen 5 1600/1600x, would be a good choice also. They can out multitask a quad core i7.


    OK, I did not realize that ryzen 5 is in the race. I thought I was looking at a face off between ryzen 7 and i7 7th gen... Prices are not that different between the two but ryzen 5 is certainly lower. So all tasks and gaming would be covered with this combination? I dont know how the MB prices are for ryzen series in India. Please give me some MB suggestions as well.
  12. @logainofhades
    Are you suggesting a 1070? Its prohibitively expensive in India :(
  13. From a price perspective this is what I see in amazon.in
    i7 7700k - 27500
    i7 7700 - 25500

    ryzen 1600x - 20000
    ryzen 1600 - 18000

    gtx 1060 - 24000 (http://www.amazon.in/MSI-GeForce-DirectX-6GT-OC/dp/B01IPVJ6DW/ref=sr_1_3?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1495047024&sr=1-3&keywords=gtx+1060+6gb)
    gtx 1070 - 41000 (http://www.amazon.in/Zotac-GTX1070-AMP-Graphics-Memory/dp/B01GU8L30Q/ref=sr_1_18?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1495047207&sr=1-18&keywords=gtx+1070)

    Given that this is what I can work with what would be the most budget effective choices without having to compromise the quality? I think it would do well to bear in mind that I still need to account for PSU + cabinet + HDD + monitor + KB/M etc etc. Also is is necessary to invest in a SSD, I know it makes no difference to gaming but as for the multi media tasks, would we need a SSD?
  14. cannon_dt said:
    @logainofhades
    Are you suggesting a 1070? Its prohibitively expensive in India :(


    Given your budget, I do not see an i7 allowing for a very good GPU. All I have is pcpartpicker to go by though.

    https://in.pcpartpicker.com/list/

    Even if you can't go with a better GPU, than a GTX 1060, the price difference may allow for at least a 240-275gb ssd. Whatever you do, do not cut corners on the power supply quality.
  15. @logainofhades
    Corsair RM 550 should be good enough right?
    Also for 1080p gaming isnt 1060 enough. I have a 1070 for my rig and I believe its an overkill for 1080p. Are you suggesting 1070 from the perspective of the non-gaming tasks? Arent they the CPU intensive tasks? I am not sure I get your point of view.....

    Also I have give all of the prices as I was able to get from amazon.in.....
  16. The GTX 1060 6gb is still plenty for 1080p gaming. The 1070 is a bit overkill, right now, but would last longer. Most adobe software can make use of GPU, I do believe. GPU I was more focused on gaming. For the multi thread CPU apps, a Ryzen 1600 is still a good choice. This is a good tool for PSU quality. Good rule of thumb is to stick to tier 1 and 2. The new Corsair CX550m/650m are pretty good though. The list needs a bit of updating. http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html
  17. @logainofhades
    But 17K is a huge price difference for the 1060 vs 1070. That is why I had kind of settled on the 1060. And since it was that, I thought the i7 would handle all the tasks well - so both areas covered.
    And what do you mean by last longer - you mean stay more relevant as more demanding games are released??!

    I did refer to that list when I made my build - problem is most the tier 1 and tier 2 PSUs are either not available here or they were absurdly priced. So I had to settle for the RM550 (which incidentally is not on the list :( )

    Also for the MB - what should I be considering? Should I get a OC MB just in case? Suggestions would be most welcome
  18. If I want to play it safe and keep OC for later purposes, what is the suggested MB? Only the z270 supports OC? Please do help out with the MB.
  19. cannon_dt said:
    If I want to play it safe and keep OC for later purposes, what is the suggested MB? Only the z270 supports OC? Please do help out with the MB.


    For overclocking Like the links I already put before you can use the Z270 or the Z170 Motherboards
  20. That is a quality PSU, but you might want the 620w version, if you are overclocking.
  21. I knew you were going to say that... My budget is in serious peril. Can you guys think of some means to cut corners to keep within my budget??? :(
  22. cannon_dt said:
    I knew you were going to say that... My budget is in serious peril. Can you guys think of some means to cut corners to keep within my budget??? :(


    The i5 and 1060 are great for 1080p. You don't need a 600w psu either. 500w is plenty, even with overclock.
  23. chalky16 said:
    cannon_dt said:
    I knew you were going to say that... My budget is in serious peril. Can you guys think of some means to cut corners to keep within my budget??? :(


    The i5 and 1060 are great for 1080p. You don't need a 600w psu either. 500w is plenty, even with overclock.


    Oh, I guess you are only talking about the gaming bit. What about the other intensive tasks? I thought an i5 wont make the cut when it comes to demanding video tasks.
  24. cannon_dt said:
    chalky16 said:
    cannon_dt said:
    I knew you were going to say that... My budget is in serious peril. Can you guys think of some means to cut corners to keep within my budget??? :(


    The i5 and 1060 are great for 1080p. You don't need a 600w psu either. 500w is plenty, even with overclock.


    Oh, I guess you are only talking about the gaming bit. What about the other intensive tasks? I thought an i5 wont make the cut when it comes to demanding video tasks.


    It's best for gaming but if you want good video editing get one of the ryzen 1600 cpus
  25. cannon_dt said:
    chalky16 said:
    cannon_dt said:
    I knew you were going to say that... My budget is in serious peril. Can you guys think of some means to cut corners to keep within my budget??? :(


    The i5 and 1060 are great for 1080p. You don't need a 600w psu either. 500w is plenty, even with overclock.


    Oh, I guess you are only talking about the gaming bit. What about the other intensive tasks? I thought an i5 wont make the cut when it comes to demanding video tasks.


    It's best for gaming but if you want good video editing get one of the ryzen 1600 cpus
  26. The 1600 is the best all around CPU, for your intended uses. Gaming performance is acceptable, and will outperform an i5 in video editing. If you stick with the 1060, the 520w should be ok. I was thinking more along the lines of an i7/GTX 1070. Too many threads to keep up with, so little time.
  27. logainofhades said:
    The 1600 is the best all around CPU, for your intended uses. Gaming performance is acceptable, and will outperform an i5 in video editing. If you stick with the 1060, the 520w should be ok. I was thinking more along the lines of an i7/GTX 1070. Too many threads to keep up with, so little time.


    Ha, I know.
    Like I said the 1070 is 17K more than the 1060. That is what is really making me reluctant.
    How about this for a tradeoff - the 7700k instead of the 1600 but keep the GPU at 1060. Does that provide any tangible benefits? I am just trying to work out all possible combinations and their respective cost effectiveness
  28. YoAndy said:
    cannon_dt said:
    If I want to play it safe and keep OC for later purposes, what is the suggested MB? Only the z270 supports OC? Please do help out with the MB.


    For overclocking Like the links I already put before you can use the Z270 or the Z170 Motherboards


    Thanks man. I was just not sure if the z170 supports OC, the wiki seems to think only the z270 supports OC and me being on a tight budget wanted to make sure that I was spending money on the right component
  29. I think I would still be inclined to say Ryzen 5 1600.

    http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_5_1600_review,12.html

  30. logainofhades said:
    I think I would still be inclined to say Ryzen 5 1600.

    http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_5_1600_review,12.html



    Real world speeds by real users. If you want the 2nd fastest consumer CPU in the world you get the i7 7700k if you want the 34th fastest CPU in the world you get the Ryzen 5 1600X. Even the Intel Core i5-7600K for $240 beats the Ryzen 5 in effective speed. stop posting synthetic benchmarks.

    http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/
  31. I am now totally confused.
    The Ryzen 7 and i7 7700K are very comparable in prices. So if I prioritize my budget then I have to go down to the 1600 or 1600x

    Considering that all other parameters in terms of requirements remain the same, what should I be investing in, also in terms of longevity and not having to upgrade very soon. There are just too many things and too many conflicting opinions - please do help with the CPU. I am certainly investing in a 1060 6GB GPU, so considering that what CPU would be optimal for my needs both in terms of performance and budget???
  32. cannon_dt said:
    I am now totally confused.
    The Ryzen 7 and i7 7700K are very comparable in prices. So if I prioritize my budget then I have to go down to the 1600 or 1600x

    Considering that all other parameters in terms of requirements remain the same, what should I be investing in, also in terms of longevity and not having to upgrade very soon. There are just too many things and too many conflicting opinions - please do help with the CPU. I am certainly investing in a 1060 6GB GPU, so considering that what CPU would be optimal for my needs both in terms of performance and budget???


    This is a real world comparison by real users, between the 2 CPU's the i7 7700k is way faster. And it can be overclocked past 5Ghz

    http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-7700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-1600/3647vs3919
  33. For making videos and for steaming and/or editing, the 1600 would do a slightly better job in those areas, but when it comes to highly demanding tasks that benefit from strong multi cores like gaming, if you are gaming at 1080p or higher resolution specially in 4k, the 7700k will give you better performance out of a high end graphics card like the gtx 1070 or above. if you do go ryzen though, dont buy an x model, its a waste of money. the overclocking on ryzen is rather weak and since they are all unlocked the 1600 can simply be OCed to 1600x speeds. In single core aplications the i7 700K is 44% faster than the Ryzen 1600x and in multi threaded applications the Ryzen 5 1600x is only 11% faster than the i7 7700K. And in raw performance the core i7 7700K is 4% faster than the Ryzen 5 1600x. But remember the numbers get better for the i7 since it can be overclocked past 5Ghz

    Synthetic performance index
    AMD Ryzen 5 1600X100% Intel Core i7-7700K104%


    Single thread performance index
    AMD Ryzen 5 1600X100% Intel Core i7-7700K144%

    Multi thread performance index
    AMD Ryzen 5 1600X111% Intel Core i7-7700K100%


    http://hwbench.com/cpus/amd-ryzen-5-1600x-vs-intel-core-i7-7700k
  34. Hmm nice budget I think AMD has 3500$ video cards based on newest GCN tech for rendering and sure you can use it for gaming.

    Crossfire them

    For CPU wait for AMDs server CPUs the "threadrippers" If that really is the budget go all out I guess, RAID 10 a bunch of high capacitys SSDs
  35. 0ldsch00l said:
    Hmm nice budget I think AMD has 3500$ video cards based on newest GCN tech for rendering and sure you can use it for gaming.

    Crossfire them

    For CPU wait for AMDs server CPUs the "threadrippers" If that really is the budget go all out I guess, RAID 10 a bunch of high capacitys SSDs


    THE BUDGET IS NOT IN US DOLLARS read the thread before posting nonsense.
  36. @YoAndy
    Agreed about the 1070 and the 7700K but bear in mind that the I have a fixed GPU of 1060 6GB.
    So if the GPU is a non variant, then would the 7700K be an overkill in terms of its potential.

    Also from a tasks perspective it is equal - both gaming at 1080p and the use of the softwares I mentioned above (multi media, video editing using Illustrator, Photoshop, Premiere Pro, Audition, Flash, After effects, 3Ds Max, Maya) - so considering this I assume you would still recommend the 7700K right. From a budget perspective the 1700 is not in the race as it is similarly priced to the 7700K. So the only toss up is between the 1600 (1600x is not in the offing like you said!) and 7700K. So what triumphs here - budget or performance?????
  37. YoAndy said:
    0ldsch00l said:
    Hmm nice budget I think AMD has 3500$ video cards based on newest GCN tech for rendering and sure you can use it for gaming.

    Crossfire them

    For CPU wait for AMDs server CPUs the "threadrippers" If that really is the budget go all out I guess, RAID 10 a bunch of high capacitys SSDs


    THE BUDGET IS NOT IN US DOLLARS read the thread before posting nonsense.


    NM was multitasking I see so about a grand in US dolla? Can still get a profesional AMD card but lower tier, forget about RAID anything
  38. cannon_dt said:
    @YoAndy
    Agreed about the 1070 and the 7700K but bear in mind that the I have a fixed GPU of 1060 6GB.
    So if the GPU is a non variant, then would the 7700K be an overkill in terms of its potential.

    Also from a tasks perspective it is equal - both gaming at 1080p and the use of the softwares I mentioned above (multi media, video editing using Illustrator, Photoshop, Premiere Pro, Audition, Flash, After effects, 3Ds Max, Maya) - so considering this I assume you would still recommend the 7700K right. From a budget perspective the 1700 is not in the race as it is similarly priced to the 7700K. So the only toss up is between the 1600 (1600x is not in the offing like you said!) and 7700K. So what triumphs here - budget or performance?????


    Like I said before, if I have to choose between the 2 I'll personally go for the i7 7700K. Is not only a far superior CPU on a more mature platform but the hardware has better optimization and it has way better software support too and if you are planning on using windows 10 or any windows software you may encounter a lot of drivers issues with Ryzen CPU's. By the time Ryzen Fixes their issues and work with Windows for new drivers and programs start using more cores would be already time to upgrade.

    http://windowsreport.com/amd-ryzen-performance/

    If you’re planning to buy an AMD Ryzen computer and run Windows 10 on it, think again. Recent reports confirm that AMD Ryzen’s performance is severely crippled on Windows 10, and there’s not much that you can do about it.

    Ryzen is AMD’s first processor model to sport simultaneous multi-threading technology. According to AMD, Ryzen is 40% more efficient, consuming less power than its Intel counterpart. However, it seems that Windows 10 doesn’t really like it.

    AMD Ryzen low performance on Windows 10
    The Windows 10 scheduler is not able to correctly identify Ryzen’s principal core threads from virtual SMT threads. Actually, the OS believes that each CPU thread of a Ryzen processor is a real core with its own L2 and L3 cache.

    As a result, Windows 10 doesn’t assign the tasks to a principal core thread. Instead, it schedules many of them to a virtual SMT thread, which of course, reduces the overall CPU performance.

    There are many users who aren’t ready to give up on their AMD Ryzen-powered computer and hope that Microsoft and AMD will somehow fix this problem.

    I just want MS/AMD to address the bug. I am not worried about how much it affects the improvement in games. We ought to be able to use the software and hardware we bought with hard-earned money properly in all fields, not just games. AMD/Microsoft please fix this asap

    Microsoft has officially acknowledged this issue and confirmed is working on a fix. This means that the company will soon roll out a patch to address this compatibility issue. At the moment, Ryzen is not unusable, it’s just that it’s not as good as it could be. Let us hope that Microsoft sorts out the scheduler and cache issues as soon as possible.
  39. YoAndy said:
    cannon_dt said:
    @YoAndy
    Agreed about the 1070 and the 7700K but bear in mind that the I have a fixed GPU of 1060 6GB.
    So if the GPU is a non variant, then would the 7700K be an overkill in terms of its potential.

    Also from a tasks perspective it is equal - both gaming at 1080p and the use of the softwares I mentioned above (multi media, video editing using Illustrator, Photoshop, Premiere Pro, Audition, Flash, After effects, 3Ds Max, Maya) - so considering this I assume you would still recommend the 7700K right. From a budget perspective the 1700 is not in the race as it is similarly priced to the 7700K. So the only toss up is between the 1600 (1600x is not in the offing like you said!) and 7700K. So what triumphs here - budget or performance?????


    Like I said before, if I have to choose between the 2 I'll personally go for the i7 7700K. Is not only a far superior CPU on a more mature platform but the hardware has better optimization and it has way better software support too and if you are planning on using windows 10 or any windows software you may encounter a lot of drivers issues with Ryzen CPU's. By the time Ryzen Fixes their issues and work with Windows for new drivers and programs start using more cores would be already time to upgrade.

    http://windowsreport.com/amd-ryzen-performance/

    If you’re planning to buy an AMD Ryzen computer and run Windows 10 on it, think again. Recent reports confirm that AMD Ryzen’s performance is severely crippled on Windows 10, and there’s not much that you can do about it.

    Ryzen is AMD’s first processor model to sport simultaneous multi-threading technology. According to AMD, Ryzen is 40% more efficient, consuming less power than its Intel counterpart. However, it seems that Windows 10 doesn’t really like it.

    AMD Ryzen low performance on Windows 10
    The Windows 10 scheduler is not able to correctly identify Ryzen’s principal core threads from virtual SMT threads. Actually, the OS believes that each CPU thread of a Ryzen processor is a real core with its own L2 and L3 cache.

    As a result, Windows 10 doesn’t assign the tasks to a principal core thread. Instead, it schedules many of them to a virtual SMT thread, which of course, reduces the overall CPU performance.

    There are many users who aren’t ready to give up on their AMD Ryzen-powered computer and hope that Microsoft and AMD will somehow fix this problem.

    I just want MS/AMD to address the bug. I am not worried about how much it affects the improvement in games. We ought to be able to use the software and hardware we bought with hard-earned money properly in all fields, not just games. AMD/Microsoft please fix this asap

    Microsoft has officially acknowledged this issue and confirmed is working on a fix. This means that the company will soon roll out a patch to address this compatibility issue. At the moment, Ryzen is not unusable, it’s just that it’s not as good as it could be. Let us hope that Microsoft sorts out the scheduler and cache issues as soon as possible.

    You are talking about the AMD "hyperthreading" bug?
  40. 0ldsch00l said:
    YoAndy said:
    cannon_dt said:
    @YoAndy
    Agreed about the 1070 and the 7700K but bear in mind that the I have a fixed GPU of 1060 6GB.
    So if the GPU is a non variant, then would the 7700K be an overkill in terms of its potential.

    Also from a tasks perspective it is equal - both gaming at 1080p and the use of the softwares I mentioned above (multi media, video editing using Illustrator, Photoshop, Premiere Pro, Audition, Flash, After effects, 3Ds Max, Maya) - so considering this I assume you would still recommend the 7700K right. From a budget perspective the 1700 is not in the race as it is similarly priced to the 7700K. So the only toss up is between the 1600 (1600x is not in the offing like you said!) and 7700K. So what triumphs here - budget or performance?????


    Like I said before, if I have to choose between the 2 I'll personally go for the i7 7700K. Is not only a far superior CPU on a more mature platform but the hardware has better optimization and it has way better software support too and if you are planning on using windows 10 or any windows software you may encounter a lot of drivers issues with Ryzen CPU's. By the time Ryzen Fixes their issues and work with Windows for new drivers and programs start using more cores would be already time to upgrade.

    http://windowsreport.com/amd-ryzen-performance/

    If you’re planning to buy an AMD Ryzen computer and run Windows 10 on it, think again. Recent reports confirm that AMD Ryzen’s performance is severely crippled on Windows 10, and there’s not much that you can do about it.

    Ryzen is AMD’s first processor model to sport simultaneous multi-threading technology. According to AMD, Ryzen is 40% more efficient, consuming less power than its Intel counterpart. However, it seems that Windows 10 doesn’t really like it.

    AMD Ryzen low performance on Windows 10
    The Windows 10 scheduler is not able to correctly identify Ryzen’s principal core threads from virtual SMT threads. Actually, the OS believes that each CPU thread of a Ryzen processor is a real core with its own L2 and L3 cache.

    As a result, Windows 10 doesn’t assign the tasks to a principal core thread. Instead, it schedules many of them to a virtual SMT thread, which of course, reduces the overall CPU performance.

    There are many users who aren’t ready to give up on their AMD Ryzen-powered computer and hope that Microsoft and AMD will somehow fix this problem.

    I just want MS/AMD to address the bug. I am not worried about how much it affects the improvement in games. We ought to be able to use the software and hardware we bought with hard-earned money properly in all fields, not just games. AMD/Microsoft please fix this asap

    Microsoft has officially acknowledged this issue and confirmed is working on a fix. This means that the company will soon roll out a patch to address this compatibility issue. At the moment, Ryzen is not unusable, it’s just that it’s not as good as it could be. Let us hope that Microsoft sorts out the scheduler and cache issues as soon as possible.

    You are talking about the AMD "hyperthreading" bug?


    Well yes that was one of them, they actually have problems with different types of DDR4 Memory but eventually like I said is a new platform that needs to mature a bit more.
  41. YoAndy said:
    0ldsch00l said:
    YoAndy said:
    cannon_dt said:
    @YoAndy
    Agreed about the 1070 and the 7700K but bear in mind that the I have a fixed GPU of 1060 6GB.
    So if the GPU is a non variant, then would the 7700K be an overkill in terms of its potential.

    Also from a tasks perspective it is equal - both gaming at 1080p and the use of the softwares I mentioned above (multi media, video editing using Illustrator, Photoshop, Premiere Pro, Audition, Flash, After effects, 3Ds Max, Maya) - so considering this I assume you would still recommend the 7700K right. From a budget perspective the 1700 is not in the race as it is similarly priced to the 7700K. So the only toss up is between the 1600 (1600x is not in the offing like you said!) and 7700K. So what triumphs here - budget or performance?????


    Like I said before, if I have to choose between the 2 I'll personally go for the i7 7700K. Is not only a far superior CPU on a more mature platform but the hardware has better optimization and it has way better software support too and if you are planning on using windows 10 or any windows software you may encounter a lot of drivers issues with Ryzen CPU's. By the time Ryzen Fixes their issues and work with Windows for new drivers and programs start using more cores would be already time to upgrade.

    http://windowsreport.com/amd-ryzen-performance/

    If you’re planning to buy an AMD Ryzen computer and run Windows 10 on it, think again. Recent reports confirm that AMD Ryzen’s performance is severely crippled on Windows 10, and there’s not much that you can do about it.

    Ryzen is AMD’s first processor model to sport simultaneous multi-threading technology. According to AMD, Ryzen is 40% more efficient, consuming less power than its Intel counterpart. However, it seems that Windows 10 doesn’t really like it.

    AMD Ryzen low performance on Windows 10
    The Windows 10 scheduler is not able to correctly identify Ryzen’s principal core threads from virtual SMT threads. Actually, the OS believes that each CPU thread of a Ryzen processor is a real core with its own L2 and L3 cache.

    As a result, Windows 10 doesn’t assign the tasks to a principal core thread. Instead, it schedules many of them to a virtual SMT thread, which of course, reduces the overall CPU performance.

    There are many users who aren’t ready to give up on their AMD Ryzen-powered computer and hope that Microsoft and AMD will somehow fix this problem.

    I just want MS/AMD to address the bug. I am not worried about how much it affects the improvement in games. We ought to be able to use the software and hardware we bought with hard-earned money properly in all fields, not just games. AMD/Microsoft please fix this asap

    Microsoft has officially acknowledged this issue and confirmed is working on a fix. This means that the company will soon roll out a patch to address this compatibility issue. At the moment, Ryzen is not unusable, it’s just that it’s not as good as it could be. Let us hope that Microsoft sorts out the scheduler and cache issues as soon as possible.

    You are talking about the AMD "hyperthreading" bug?


    Well yes that was one of them they actually have problems with different types of DDR4 Memory

    Ohh when I get ryzen that will be first thing i disable in BIOS, not worried about it at all
  42. AMD actually had problems with high-frequency RAM too
  43. YoAndy said:
    AMD actually had problems with high-frequency RAM too


    Default for RYzen is DDR4 2400, just gonna get lowest CL latency 2400 modules I can find
  44. 0ldsch00l said:
    YoAndy said:
    AMD actually had problems with high-frequency RAM too


    Default for RYzen is DDR4 2400, just gonna get lowest CL latency 2400 modules I can find



    Getting high frequency ram with Ryzen is a waste of $ just normal DDR4 will do
  45. YoAndy said:
    0ldsch00l said:
    YoAndy said:
    AMD actually had problems with high-frequency RAM too


    Default for RYzen is DDR4 2400, just gonna get lowest CL latency 2400 modules I can find



    Getting high frequency ram with Ryzen is a waste of $ just normal DDR4 will do


    High frequency has always been a waste, on visheras if you went over 1866 you had to match NB speeds and thats hit or miss if NB can do over 2000 on vishera, some cant even do 2200 or 2400, which really did not show much performance gains on vishera as compared to phenom2s with OCed NB, they flew with 2400 or higher.
  46. 0ldsch00l said:
    YoAndy said:
    0ldsch00l said:
    YoAndy said:
    AMD actually had problems with high-frequency RAM too


    Default for RYzen is DDR4 2400, just gonna get lowest CL latency 2400 modules I can find



    Getting high frequency ram with Ryzen is a waste of $ just normal DDR4 will do


    High frequency has always been a waste, on visheras if you went over 1866 you had to match NB speeds and thats hit or miss if NB can do over 2000 on vishera, some cant even do 2200 or 2400, which really did not show much performance gains on vishera as compared to phenom2s with OCed NB, they flew with 2400 or higher.



    I have always been able to hit higher RAM speeds using intel builds
  47. Just to help educate a little.

    Ryzen is compatible with all current DDR4 memory and officially supports upto 3600MHz.

    However the sweet spot is 2400-2666MHz, this speed will work with all mainboards including cheaper options.

    3000MHz and above will ONLY work at such frequencies in the flagship mainboards like ASUS CROSSHAIR for example and even then the maximum stable speed we achieve with a lot of messing around was 3200MHz, which really makes 3000MHz the maximum speed we advise.

    Of course you could buy 3200 or even 3600 kit now, and just run it at a lower frequency with more aggressive CAS Timings and as BIOS updates come out then you might be able to achieve higher frequency.

    As such we recommend 2400-3000MHz kits for use with Ryzen, faster kits will work just fine but you might have to run them below the rated speed and just set the memory timings more aggressive. :)
  48. YoAndy said:
    Just to help educate a little.

    Ryzen is compatible with all current DDR4 memory and officially supports upto 3600MHz.

    However the sweet spot is 2400-2666MHz, this speed will work with all mainboards including cheaper options.

    3000MHz and above will ONLY work at such frequencies in the flagship mainboards like ASUS CROSSHAIR for example and even then the maximum stable speed we achieve with a lot of messing around was 3200MHz, which really makes 3000MHz the maximum speed we advise.

    Of course you could buy 3200 or even 3600 kit now, and just run it at a lower frequency with more aggressive CAS Timings and as BIOS updates come out then you might be able to achieve higher frequency.

    As such we recommend 2400-3000MHz kits for use with Ryzen, faster kits will work just fine but you might have to run them below the rated speed and just set the memory timings more aggressive. :)


    As I stated earlier, I only skimped through Ryzen in depth tech detail, but if ryzen NB holds same as visheras, it wont matter what mobo is if the CPU itself hinders NB speeds. Ill have to look into it if NB speed can stay put while RAM OCs higher
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