Where will my PC bottleneck? (First build since at least 7 years ago.. with my AMD phenom)

Imadiveyourtower

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Here are my components:
NZXT S340VR Elite Computer Case , Matte Black
AMD Ryzen 7 1700 Processor with Wraith Spire LED Cooler
Microsoft Windows 10 Home 64 Bit
CORSAIR CXM series CX750M 750W
MSI X370 GAMING PRO CARBON
HyperX FURY Black 16GB Kit (2x8GB) 2133MHz DDR4 Non-ECC CL14 DIMM Desktop Memory
TP-Link Wireless Dual Band PCI Express Adapter
EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 SC GAMING
Samsung 850 EVO 250GB
1 TB HDD from old pc for random program and storage

I just discovered (lack of research) that I needed two front intake fans so I just ordered:
2 of Corsair Air Series AF140 LED Quiet Edition High Airflow Fan - Red

I use my PC for gaming, (I intend to use it for) streaming, video editing and content creation.

I would love general advice on where it will bottleneck. In addition, while I was mounting the motherboard to the pre-installed ATX standoffs, I was not sure which screws to use so I used the pre-supplied 6 x 32 screws. I hope that works? If anyone has any insight that would be great!! Thanks in advance!!
 
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As long as the screws stay inside the little circles and get tight you're fine. You didn't mention refresh rate it resolution so I can't speak to bottlneck. If 144hz 1080p it'll be the CPU, 60 hz 1080/1440/4k it won't matter. Should be a heck of an all around rig and a very solid gamer

Edit: if at all possible Upgrade ram to a 3000 or 3200 kit that are gskill tridents. They have the best chance above 2933 MHz or above which is very critical with ryzen builds

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As long as the screws stay inside the little circles and get tight you're fine. You didn't mention refresh rate it resolution so I can't speak to bottlneck. If 144hz 1080p it'll be the CPU, 60 hz 1080/1440/4k it won't matter. Should be a heck of an all around rig and a very solid gamer

Edit: if at all possible Upgrade ram to a 3000 or 3200 kit that are gskill tridents. They have the best chance above 2933 MHz or above which is very critical with ryzen builds
 
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Thanks for your lightning response! Sorry, I didn't even consider the monitors. I have two:

AOC e2470swhe 24-Inch Class LED-Lit Monitor, Full HD 1080p, 5ms, 20M:1 DCR, VGA/HDMI, VESA, Narrow Bezel
ASUS VW246H Glossy Black 24" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor

If it bottlenecks at the monitors, is it worth investing a little extra to get those monitors?

Regarding the RAM, I could just return the ones I just installed while I still have them fresh from my order. What increase would I expect to see or what capabilities would I unlock? Thank you SO much.
 

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with what that pc costs it better not bottleneck anywhere. biggest le down is the psu though its tier 4 get a better psu and dont blow up that rig....here is all t1 and t2 list. pick any of them. 700w or more

Tier One
The highest quality and most stable Power Supply Units available. Protected by industrial grade protection circuitry and can output wattage at a rated maximum temperature of 50°C or below. These units are also Haswell certified, meaning they can cope with the C6 and C7 sleep states of 0.05Amps without triggering the under-current protection switch. May even go over labelled wattage and still work until it safely shuts down.


Antec High Current Pro Platinum Delta Electronics

Be Quiet
Dark Power Pro P10 / 850w FSP (550w - 750w) / Seasonic (850w - 1200w)
Dark Power Pro P11 850w FSP

Corsair
AX / AXi series 760w - 1200w Seasonic (AX) / Flextronics (AXi)
AX1500i Flextronics
HXi Channel Well Technology
RMi Channel Well Technology
RM1000x Channel Well Technology

Cooler Master V series / V series 1200w Seasonic

EVGA
SuperNova G2 / P2 / T2 Super Flower
Supernova GS Seasonic
Supernova GQ FSP
Supernova PS Seasonic

Enermax DigiFanless 500w Channel Well Technology

Firepower Silencer MK3 1200w Super Flower

FSP
Aurum PT FSP
Hydro G FSP

LEPA G1600 Enermax

Seasonic
Platinum series Seasonic
Snow Silent 1050w Seasonic
X series / X series XM2 Seasonic

Silverstone Nightjar Platinum 520w Seasonic

Super Flower
Leadex Gold / Platinum / Titanium Super Flower
Golden King Super Flower
Golden Silent / 430w Super Flower

Thermaltake
ToughPower DPS-G RGB 1250w Channel Well Technology
Toughpower DPS-G Platinum 1050w Enhance Electronics

XFX
Pro series Black edition Seasonic
Pro series Black edition Limited Edition 1000w Seasonic
Pro series XXX / Semi-Modular Seasonic
XTS Fanless Seasonic

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Tier Two
As above, just slightly lower quality. Still safe to use and are all stable for any PC of today's standards, including Haswell C Stepping certification. Recommended for those on a fairly limited budget.

Andyson
Platinum-R 850 / 1200 Andyson
Titanium N 700w Andyson

Antec
EDGE Seasonic
Earthwatts Delta Electronics/ Earthwatts Platinum FSP
High Current Gamer Delta Electronics (Non-Modular) / Seasonic (Semi-Modular)
Truepower Classic Seasonic (Essentially a Non-Modular version of the EDGE series)

Azza Platinum Super Flower
Be Quiet Straight Power 10 FSP
Cooler Master VS Series Enhance
Corsair RM 850w Channel Well Technology
Cyonic AU-550X / 650X Seasonic
Enermax Platimax Enermax
EVGA Supernova B2 Super Flower

Firepower
Silencer MK III 400 500 600 / 750 850 Super Flower
ZX Great Wall

Fractal Design Edison M Seasonic
High Power / Sirfa Astro GD Sirfa

Rosewill
Capstone series Super Flower
Lightning series Super Flower
Quark 1000w Enhance
Silent Night 500 Watts Super Flower
Tachyon series Super Flower

Seasonic
G series / G series V2 Seasonic
M12-II EVO (fully modular) Seasonic
S12G (Think of 2011 - 2013 Seasonic G series) Seasonic
S12-II Seasonic

SilentumPC Supremo M1 Gold 550w Sirfa
Super Flower Golden Green / Modular / HX series Super Flower
Sentey Golden Steel Power 850 Watts Super Flower

Thermaltake
Toughpower Gold 850M Enhance
Toughpower Grand 1200F High Power / Sirfa
Toughpower Grand Platinum 850w 1200w Enhance
Toughpower DPS Gold Channel Well Technology

XFX
TS 430w / 550w-SEW Seasonic
XTR series Seasonic
 
^ that depends if its the 2012 green/black/white label cx750 or the 2015 silver/black label.

Either way the old 2912 would be tier 3 (it doesn't have much in common with the cx500/600 because its a different platform entirely)
The newer model would be a tier 2 if the PSU lists were anywhere close to bring up to date.

You honestly do want 2666nhz ram minimum on a ryzen for anything approaching optimal performance.
 

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One thing to understand is that there will always be a bottleneck no matter how high end the PC parts are. 1080p with that rig the CPU is the bottleneck at 1440 or 4k then the GPU is the bottleneck. They will always exist but until the games catch up to the hardware there won't be a concern. In a couple of years you may have to dial down a few settings to run at the same speed. A true bottleneck is something like running an FX6300 chip with a GTX1080Ti The CPU can't handle the game being played and that'll hold the GPU back from hitting it's top speed because it's waiting on the CPU. You'll be good for a long time.
 

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One note on your build. I have the same MOBO that you plan on buying. Update the BIOS as soon as possible. it's on it's 5th revision and will really help the stability of the system. Ryzen is still new so check back at the MSI website every couple of weeks for new updates as general and memory stability is still being worked on and updated on a regular basis.
 

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The white label CX750m is the same platform as the old one, with a few updates. The CX650m is a far better unit. Evga B2 750 would be my pick for power supply at that wattage range, and price bracket.
 

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There's going to be bottlenecks everywhere. It's inevitable. Just like how there's always a winner and loser in a race. Just make sure each component itself performs as you need it.

The CPU is great for 60hz gaming + programs that take advantage of multi core. Unless your playing a handful of poorly optimised games that struggle for 60fps at 1080p, the GTX 1070 is better off at 1440p 60hz.

I think the highest limiting factor within most AAA games will be the monitor.
 

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Here is the RAM I am looking at now to replace what I had in mind:
Thoughts on what is better?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232205&cm_re=ddr4_ram-_-20-232-205-_-Product
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820236032&cm_re=ddr4_ram-_-20-236-032-_-Product

Considering the PSU, is this purely a safety matter?

Going with suggestions that align, it looks like this would be the safe bet?

https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SuperNOVA-Modular-Warranty-110-B2-0750-VR/dp/B00KFAFRW6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1495141080&sr=8-1&keywords=Evga+B2+750

Thanks again fam
 
logainofhades - you're missing my point .
The 2012 cx430 /500/600 were group regulated units , the 2012 750m was a dc-dc regulated unit - completely different platform, yes still with some poorly chosen component choices but definitely isn't a tier 4 unit.

[strike]The 2015 cxm750 is not the same platform at all , its the exact same quality as the cxm550 & 650 - the only thing it has in common with the old model is they're both dc-dc units so the rail ratings are the same. [/strike]

Oops - my apologies & it seems you're completely right about it being a slightly improved rehash .
That said I stand by what I said , neither 2012 or 2015 model deserve to be in tier 4 in any list - they're fairly decent Psu's.
 

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Ram is pretty simple in terms of performance. Nearly all ram comes from three oems which still differ indistinguishably. Just compare the frequency, CAS, pricing and aesthetics.

That PSU tier list mentions before is filled with flaws and isn't properly odered. It is best just to read professional reviews. A better PSU will increase longevity of itself and even other parts, benefit overclocking,reduce crashes and dying due to the more protection it has (e.g. Against temperature).
 

Imadiveyourtower

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Thanks everyone for the help! I decided why not with 2 reduced cas latency and it's on discount with
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16...
So I got that. Also I have a red black setup with my corsair k70 and 2 front red led fans so I will add to that aesthetic.

I will be waiving the PSU suggestions as I think this PSU should hold up for the amount of time I would like until I am upgrading again in any case, prices are about the same, and it would cost me a fair amount of shipping to return it.

Again, thank you to all who contributed, especially @Insomniac Jack for the MOBO driver advice.