Need a review for a new build

gouravr8 · May 21, 2017

Hi,

I'm building a new system with a budget of 1500 USD. I build is as follows:

MB: ASRock Fatal1ty H270 PERFORMANCE
CPU: Intel Core i7 7700k
Graphics Card: (Any brand) 1080 TI
RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB 2400MHz
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 750 B1
Case: Coolermaster Haf XB
Disk: Samsung 960 EVO Series - 250GB PCIe NVMe - M.2 Internal SSD
Cooling: DEEPCOOL CAPTAIN 120EX

Is this build good?
Does it require anything else?
Is something overdone?

All reviews are appreciated.

Thanks.

elbert · May 21, 2017

I suggest waiting for the 2066 pin X299 with a i7 7740k. The new 7740k has the better tim so no need to delid for better heat transfer. It will also give you the option of upto 128GB's or quad channel RAM. Intel is expected to launch the new plateform at the end of the month with them being on sale mid june. On your build I would suggest about $10 extra getting 3200 RAM. It is likely there will be no new CPU's for the 1151 motherboard but the X299 will get skylake-x, kabylake-x, and possibly cannonlake-x.

Lucky_SLS · May 21, 2017

^ but do u think it will come under $1500 with a 1080ti in the list? not to mention the x299 will be top of the line mobo with more pcie lanes and ports.

das_stig · May 21, 2017

If your spending dosh on high performance rig, then don't skimp on the cooler, get a Noctua NH-D15 for cool and quiet with headroom to overclock.

elbert · May 21, 2017

Lucky_SLS :

Top of the line yes but like the X99 some will only have 4 DIMM memory slots and as few as 2 PCIE slots. I wouldn't expect a $100 x299 but possibly $175. Intel will need to compete against the AM4 as its the reason they rushed the new plateform. Its possible the 7740k may be lower priced to push the new plateform against AMD.

gouravr8 · May 21, 2017

elbert :

The age of LGA1151 is a bit of concern. I will be buying this rig in a month or so and x299 is set to release by June end, I can wait till then. Thanks for the suggestions.

Lucky_SLS · May 21, 2017

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor ($246.88 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 3 67.8 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler ($84.29 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI - B350 PC MATE ATX AM4 Motherboard ($84.33 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: SK hynix - SL308 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($84.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($46.49 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB AMP Edition Video Card ($699.79 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair - 500R Black ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Thermaltake - Smart Pro RGB 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1496.63
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-21 12:52 EDT-0400

geofelt · May 21, 2017

Your build is very good as is.

The one thing I would change is the cooler.
AIO coolers are not that efficient and cause problems with where you mount them.

Then, also, a I7-7700K is not an overly hot chip, even when overclocked a bit.
You could do better with a good air cooler like the Noctua NH-U14s, U12s, D15s.
The s variants are redesigned to clear ram and graphics cards.

gouravr8 · May 21, 2017

das_stig :

Due to the budget I'm currently holding off for the cooling. I'm planning to buy Corsair H100i in some months.

gouravr8 · May 21, 2017

geofelt :

I have never used an AIO coolers but thought that they were good at cooling. How would you compare Noctua with Corsair H100i?

geofelt · May 21, 2017

A very good question.
AIO cooling is really air cooling.
The difference is in where the radiator is located, and the size of the radiator/cooling stack.
If you have a case with decent airflow and room for an air cooler that is 160mm high, then air will work well.
Your case can supply sufficient intake air for your parts.
If you mount a radiator as intake in the front, you will cool the cpu well enough, but the hot air will then be drawn into your graphics card making that hotter.

OTOH, if you mount the radiator in back or on top, then it will be getting hot air from the motherboard and graphics card so your cpu cooling will be less effective.

Past that, if you draw in air other than from the front intakes, it will not be filtered and your parts will collect dust.

Most cooler tests you see are done on an open testbed for convenience.
In a case results will differ.

Lastly, aio coolers need strong fans to push air through the radiator. That makes them noisier.

If you look at tests where the noise level is kept constant, the Noctua air coolers do very well.

Lastly, how much cooling do you really need?
How high you can oc a I7-7700K will largely be determined by your luck in getting a good chip and the vcore you will tolerate.
As of 1/13/17
What percent can get an overclock at a somewhat sane 1.4v Vcore.

I7-7700K
4.9 74%
5.0 56%
5.1 26%
5.2 5%

For cooling, a Noctua air cooler and a H100 might be comparable cooling in a good case.
But the noctua will be cheaper, quieter, easier to install.
Google "H100 leak" for some disturbing images.

g-unit1111 · May 21, 2017

elbert :

What do you need that for? And why do you even need to consider delidding?

elbert · May 21, 2017

Cost less to cool is always a plus and the new plateform will last longer. The 7740k advantage over the 7700k. Plus the X299 is way more upgradable given it also works with the skylake-x upto 12 cores.

g-unit1111 · May 21, 2017

elbert :

But what do you need 12 cores for? And if the 6950X is any indication, a 12 core Intel CPU isn't going to come cheap.

elbert · May 21, 2017

g-unit1111 :

We are back in the age of AMD and Intel having to compete. AMD is also coming with threadripper 390/399 plateform with 10, 12, 14, and 16 cores so I woundn't expect those prices to remain high.
https://www.extremetech.com/computing/249441-amd-announces-new-16-core-ryzen-threadripper-enthusiast-platform

https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2017/05/18/intel-core-i9-versus-amd-threadripper-massive-summer-cpu-war-is-coming/#6b81430564a5

g-unit1111 · May 21, 2017

elbert :

But still why do you need 16 cores and 128GB of RAM for a gaming rig? If 8K and 16K monitors were a thing, I could see that, but since 1080P is what most people use, you really don't need that kind of horsepower.

elbert · May 21, 2017

Thats for now but if a system lasts 4~5 years who knows. I'm already using 24GB's with a 6 core thuban. A 4 x increase over 6 years does follow moores law. A better qustion is why not get a system with near unlimited upgrade possiblity. Clearly with the 7740k the x299 will have the fastest CPU for games. This is if the 6 core skylake-x doesn't become the new king of gaming.

SliceT · May 21, 2017

gouravr8 :

Its a good build but you should consider having a Z270, with a K CPU.
Good options are Taichi Z270, if something more on the budget, Z270 Pro4.

Lucky_SLS · May 21, 2017

if u r not too keen on intel, that ryzen build i posted above is within ur budget and will last longer

gouravr8 · May 22, 2017

geofelt :

A very good question.
AIO cooling is really air cooling.
The difference is in where the radiator is located, and the size of the radiator/cooling stack.
If you have a case with decent airflow and room for an air cooler that is 160mm high, then air will work well.
Your case can supply sufficient intake air for your parts.
If you mount a radiator as intake in the front, you will cool the cpu well enough, but the hot air will then be drawn into your graphics card making that hotter.

OTOH, if you mount the radiator in back or on top, then it will be getting hot air from the motherboard and graphics card so your cpu cooling will be less effective.

Past that, if you draw in air other than from the front intakes, it will not be filtered and your parts will collect dust.

Most cooler tests you see are done on an open testbed for convenience.
In a case results will differ.

Lastly, aio coolers need strong fans to push air through the radiator. That makes them noisier.

If you look at tests where the noise level is kept constant, the Noctua air coolers do very well.

Lastly, how much cooling do you really need?
How high you can oc a I7-7700K will largely be determined by your luck in getting a good chip and the vcore you will tolerate.
As of 1/13/17
What percent can get an overclock at a somewhat sane 1.4v Vcore.

I7-7700K
4.9 74%
5.0 56%
5.1 26%
5.2 5%

For cooling, a Noctua air cooler and a H100 might be comparable cooling in a good case.
But the noctua will be cheaper, quieter, easier to install.
Google "H100 leak" for some disturbing images.

Awesome, thats a great explanation.

So if I chose Noctua air coolers, it will not just save me money but also provide a similar cooling performance.

Thanks

gouravr8 · May 22, 2017

Lucky_SLS :

I'm not so keen on Ryzen yet, will stick with Intel for now.

Thanks for suggesting Ryzen, it is a good alternative.

gouravr8 · May 22, 2017

SliceT :

What would be a major difference between H270 and Z270?

I could find out one difference , that is it can take much faster RAM, But it will also stretch my budget by another $70-$100, which I'm ready to do but I think I need to think on this.

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