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I need some advice on building a new ryzen workstation. I am a professional 3d artist and the ryzen looks like it is shaping up to be the perfect cpu for me. The last build I did was 4 years ago and it was an i7 4770k., I have put off upgrading for a few years now because the cost to benefit ratio just didn't seem to be there, but with the new ryzen chips it looks like I can get about a 2.5x speed increase for hopefully around 1500 dollars. That's what I am shooting for anyway.

I am not sure if the 1800x is worth the premium over the 1700x?

My only other real requirement is that I need to have 64gb of ram. I am concerned about compatibility with the new Ryzen chips and getting 64gigs of ram to work well. Any advice in that regard? Any proven CPU, Mobo, Ram combos out there?

Other than that everything else can be pretty run of the mill. Most 3d programs don't really take full advantage of the speed and power of most gaming video cards, so something mid grade is fine in that regard.
 
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most people suggest the 1700 rather than the 1700x or 1800x because once overclocked (r7 1700) they perform at the same level at a much lower cost . 64gb is a lot of ram! you maybe better if you name the software that you use so that people can give you the best and most accurate build for your needs.
 
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so It really depends on your own opinion.
If the waiting-time you can eliminate by buying a higher tier cpu pays of for you you should definitivly go with the 1800x.
here's an userBenchmark between both http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-7-1800X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-1700X/3916vs3915
If you want the best performance possible I would wait till the ryzen "treadrippers" come out. Then you have to expect some higher cost ofc :)
 
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G.Skill Flare memory is the easiest memory to work with Ryzen.

If you're not overclocking use the 1800X. If overclocking use any of the 8 cores, reports are that the 1700X and 1800X may overclock a bit better than the 1700.
 
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Yes it is a lot of ram! I would go 128gb if I could, but as far as I can tell you pretty much have to go with a server solution if you want to do that. I use 3ds Max, Modo, and After Effects as my primary tools. After Effects in particular just eat as much ram as it can.
 
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Thinking about it some more and I think the speed increase with the 1800x might be worth it for me 150 dollars isn't that much more, and if it means 15% faster render times for me then it's easily worth it. What would be a good motherboard for the 1800 that would support 64 gigs of ram?
 
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If you can wait...and can afford it, the thread-ripper is going to have 10, 12 or 16 cores, and will support quad channel memory, so 128G memory should be doable on that platform. Just wait a couple of months.
 
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Agree. You have a real need for a real workstation. Both Intel and AMD will announce there high end desktop platforms next week at Computex. Not sure when you can buy one and if waiting is an option but I would at least wait until next week is over to see what falls out. The low end AMD is suposed to be a 10 core CPU and the high end is a 16 core CPU like cbxbiker61 said with 128GB memory and its fast quad channel. The Intel Skylake-x platform will go up to 12 cores and should also have 128GB memory support and quad channel but I expect higher costs. If render times make you money these are the two platforms to think about. I expect Intel will be ready in June but AMD probably later summer hopefully more details will follow next week.
 
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I could wait.... I'm just worried about price. I have my workstation at my job for my full-time work, this machine would be for my freelance work and personal projects, so cost is a consideration.
 
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the 1700 1700x and 1800x are the same cpu with different clock speeds so paying an extra $150 when you can buy a decent cooler and overclock the 1700 and get the same performance as the 1800x wouldn't be a great choice for the majority . i am a price to performance person and i hate to see people wasting money!

edit: also factor in the cost of the cooler for the 1800x
 
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I've also debated going to a xeon solution. At my job we recently purchased a whole slew of refurbished xeon workstation machines for our render farm with 128gb in them. They were around ~1200 dollars a piece and run circles around everything else we have in the office. I've thought about keeping my eyes open for that sort of deal but am worried it might not be a good solution for a machine I will actually be working on.
 
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This is whats getting announced next week.

The next to the low end Threadripper 1955x should be a rendering beast but should still not be to crazy cost wise(no pricing yet).
 
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i have zero experience of xeon's unfortunately so i cannot advise you on that route . the threadripper advice is good but again without actual working performance knowledge it's not something anyone can say for sure is going to be amazing (although it does sound it from articles i have read! )

because of the above - i would wait for more advice .
 
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Okay. I'm putting it on hold for a few weeks. If I can get a 10 core for not much more than the 1800x that will let me easily do 128 gigs of ram then I think it would be worth waiting for. It will depend on price of course but if it's not astronomically more expensive.......... a machine with those specs would probably last me at least 5 years.
 
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Exciting to see some big improvements coming to hardware. I have felt like things have been pretty stagnant for the last 4-5 years, thus me using 4 year old hardware still.
 
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