Is Prime95 Max Temp 90 C Normal for a i7-4790K 4.0GHz

samzhaizhai

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Hello. Recently with the help of my friend I have built a new pc with the following cpu and cooler:

CPU: CPU: Intel Haswell i7-4790K LGA1150 4.0GHz

Cooler: Corsair Hydro Series H80i GT Intel/AMD Extreme Performance Liquid CPU Cooler

Case: Thermaltake Core V71 Full Tower Case

So I figured it would be a good idea to run Prime95 and check if everything is okay. And I got 90 C under 99.9% load. My friend told me it is pretty normal, but I still am a little concerned.

I am just hoping to ask some more professional individuals if this is normal for the case, cpu, and cooler I have.

For some more important information, the ambient temp of the room is usually 20-25 C, and the idle temp of the cpu is 30~40 C. Playing games such as the witcher 3 and ghost recon wildlands on basically all ultra setting will have the cpu generally ~65 C, and hitting around 75 or sometimes even 80 C (tested by realtemp).

Thank you for taking your time to read and answer this question!


P.S. Here is a screenshot of the prime test conclusion http://imgur.com/a/N1zk5
 
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samzhaizhai,

As you may know, 2nd Generation and earlier processors use Indium solder between the Die and the Integrated Heat Spreader (IHS), while 3rd through 7th Generation use Thermal Interface Material (TIM), which has much lower thermal conductivity than solder. Consequently, 3rd and 4th Generation 22 nanometer...
Even 80C in gaming with the CPU at stock sounds pretty hot, but it's not unreasonable. I wouldn't ever use the new versions of prime95, they cause the voltage to creep up as you continue to run the test last I heard and cause unreasonable temps. Are you sure that you clamped the cooler down properly and that there's enough thermal paste? Is there an option to raise the pump speed in the corsair link software?
 

samzhaizhai

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Hey thank you for your fast reply! I am pretty sure the cooler is properly clamped, and the thermal paste is nicely applied. As for the pump speed I checked and it is already in performance option (the other one is quite). It does hit 80 but does not stay there tho. It is just my cpu temp seems to spike really heavily and weirdly. For example when I open chrome, for about five seconds it can fluctuate all the way up to 74 (according to realtemp), and then it does fall nicely back to around 40 no matter what I do in chrome. Is this something normal? Like when I am trying to access the internet through chrome maybe the cpu suddenly start doing some heavy work so it shoots up and then come back down?

Again thank you for your reply!

P.S. here is a screenshot to illustrate what I am saying about weird huge spikes when using chrome (about 40 is what my temp is 99% of the time but the max sometimes shoots up) http://imgur.com/a/77q8X
 

samzhaizhai

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Thank you for your reply! So it is a little too hot? Last I checked when I play games the temp does not stay up around 75 or 80 tho. For example when I play ghost recon wildlands it is nearly working all around 60, just it appears the max temp recorded by realtemp goes to 75 or 80. Is this normal? And same as I told chemmajorp53, when I open chrome, for about five seconds it can fluctuate all the way up to 74, and then it goes back down. Is this too unusual?

Again I am pretty new to tech at this level so treat me like a noob lol.

Thanks a lot!

P.S. here is a screenshot to illustrate what I am saying about weird huge spikes when using chrome (about 40 is what my temp is 99% of the time but the max sometimes shoots up) http://imgur.com/a/77q8X
 

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samzhaizhai,

On behalf of Tom's Moderator Team, welcome aboard!

At the top of all our Forums are "Stickies" which are informative Threads permanently "stuck" in place so they're always available as references for everyone's benefit. Near the top of the CPU's Forum you'll see a Sticky you might want to read: Intel Temperature Guide - http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-1800828/intel-temperature-guide.html

Here's the typical operating range for Core temperature:

85°C Hot (100% Workload)
75°C Warm
65°C Norm
55°C Norm
45°C Norm
35°C Cool
25°C Cold (Idle)

Q: Which version of Prime95 did you run?

Do not use Prime95 versions later than 26.6 on 2nd through 7th Generation i3, i5 or i7 CPU's, which all have AVX (Advanced Vector Extension) Instruction Sets. Recent versions of Prime95 such as 28.9 run AVX code on the CPU's Floating Point Unit (FPU) which causes unrealistic temperatures up to 20°C higher. The FPU test in the utility AIDA64 shows similar results.

From Intel: Troubleshooting Intel® Core™ i7-4790K / i5-4690K overheating - https://communities.intel.com/docs/DOC-23517 - "Overheating occurs very quickly on motherboard products with certain BIOS settings when running the Small FFT test that is part of the Prime95 application, version 28.5." - "Overheating is not as severe with earlier versions of Prime95 ... "

AVX can be disabled in Prime95 versions later than 26.6 by inserting "CpuSupportsAVX=0" into the "local.txt" file in Prime95's folder. However, since Core temperatures will be the same as 26.6, it’s easier to just use 26.6: http://www.mersenneforum.org/showthread.php?t=15504

Contrary to James Mason's comment, Prime95 version 26.6 Small FFT's is ideal for CPU thermal testing, because it's a steady 100% workload with steady Core temperatures that typically runs Core i variants with Hyperthreading and Core 2 processors within +/- a few % of Thermal Design Power (TDP) at stock settings. As Intel tests their processors under carefully controlled conditions at 100% TDP, no other utility so closely replicates Intel's test conditions. This is also the utility that Real Temp uses to test Core temperature sensors.

Although Prime95 v26.6 Small FFT's is ideal for thermal testing, Asus RealBench is ideal for stability testing: - http://rog.asus.com/rog-pro/realbench-v2-leaderboard/

Concerning Core temperature fluctuations or "spikes", Core temperatures respond instantly to changes in load. Intel’s specification for Digital Thermal Sensor (DTS) response time is 256 milliseconds, or about 1/4th of a second. Since Windows has dozens of Processes and Services running in the background, it’s normal to see rapid and random Core temperature “spikes” or fluctuations during the first few minutes after startup, which should eventually settle. Any software activity will show some percentage of CPU Utilization in Task Manager, where unnecessary Tray items, Startups, Processes and Services that contribute to excessive or continued spiking can be disabled.

Once again, welcome aboard!

CT :sol:
 

samzhaizhai

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Greetings Mr. Moderator

Thank you for your warm welcome and detailed answer! I think I understand about what is going on with most of my problems. I have been using the wrong version of Prime95, so I won't worry too much about the max temp and stability of my cpu anymore.

Nevertheless I do still have a question regarding the cpu temp fluctuations. I understand that after startup things can get busy and the cpu temp will spike up and down. Nevertheless, will this happen also for, let's say, using google chrome to browse webpages such as Facebook. I understand that trying to tell your pc to quickly load lots of pictures and videos that are on facebook can be cpu demanding. Nonetheless, my cpu can spike up really high when using chrome, although for most point it stays around 50, sometimes it can hit 70 C or more. Weirdly when I play games that are rather cpu demanding the machine performs normally, which is why I am very confused.

Again thank you for answering my question!

With best regards
 

CompuTronix

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samzhaizhai,

As you may know, 2nd Generation and earlier processors use Indium solder between the Die and the Integrated Heat Spreader (IHS), while 3rd through 7th Generation use Thermal Interface Material (TIM), which has much lower thermal conductivity than solder. Consequently, 3rd and 4th Generation 22 nanometer processors, and especially 5th through 7th Generation 14 nanometer processors suffer from temperature and spiking problems, which is detailed in the Guide I linked for you.

Spiking is inherent to these processors. Other than cleaning up your tray startups, processes and services, reducing Core voltage, improving cooling or de-lidding you CPU, there's little else you can do to minimize spiking. As long as your rig is stable and Core temperatures don't exceed low 80's, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. Enjoy your new rig!

CT :sol:
 
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samzhaizhai

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Thank you for your really really detailed reply! Now I have a great deal more knowledge about what is going on, and I am not concerned anymore. This helped out tons!

With best regards,
Sam