Graphic cards upgrade advice.

KDV · May 27, 2017

Hey guys, I want to upgrade my Graphic card. My current graphic card is: ATI Radeon HD 3850 (2298 MB / 512 MB Vram)
My Pc specs:
Asus P5QL-Pro motherboard, with 4 GB DDR2 Ram
and I use a Intel Core2Duo E7400 Processor @ 2.8GHz.
I don't play too much games, only 3/4 hours in a week ETS2MP.

So, can I use GTX 760, or GTX 660/650 etc.

10tacle · May 27, 2017

I would recommend going no higher than a GTX 760. Anything higher than that will be really bottlenecked by your seven year old chipset (I'm still running an E8400/P5Q build from 2009 as a retro gaming PC). You will notice a big improvement in ETS2. You must really have the details turned down to run an HD 3850.

KDV · May 27, 2017

10tacle :

First thanks for your comment.

I bought 2 pieces of this PC 2/3 years ago totall price for 80 euros.
Its not a "WOAW" PC haha, but it does work. I can play ETS2 with 30/35 FPS, GTA 4, TDU2, Assetto Corsa etc.
Last few weeks I play only ETS2. I didnt have much time

.

So back to the point, if I buy GTX 760, I can use it on my system, true? Or 660/650 whatever

?
Btw, I have Recom PE-450PLUS power supple (450 Watt). is it enough for this GPU's?

10tacle · May 27, 2017

KDV :

Wow you can run Assetto Corsa - impressive! Yes - any 6-7 series will work fine. Your PSU will be fine if it is of good quality. I'm not familiar with the brand being in the US. Based on a quick search, it appears that Dell used them in their server PCs at one time, so it can't be all that bad.

jaslion · May 27, 2017

KDV :

10tacle :

First thanks for your comment.

I bought 2 pieces of this PC 2/3 years ago totall price for 80 euros.
Its not a "WOAW" PC haha, but it does work. I can play ETS2 with 30/35 FPS, GTA 4, TDU2, Assetto Corsa etc.
Last few weeks I play only ETS2. I didnt have much time

.

So back to the point, if I buy GTX 760, I can use it on my system, true? Or 660/650 whatever

?
Btw, I have Recom PE-450PLUS power supple (450 Watt). is it enough for this GPU's?

Not with that psu you don't get a new one asap as it's a really really bad one.

dontlistentome · May 27, 2017

If you like to run at 1080p I'd recommend a 2gb version of whichever card you choose. For reasons of compatibility with the older motherboard, I'd recommend the GTX 6xx series, if you like Nvidia. A GTX 650 Ti/660 would be ideal. They are powerful enough for your use, but don't need too much from the power supply. Your power supply should be able to handle them. A 1gb version of the 650 Ti would be okay, but it might lose a bit of framerate running at 1080p opposed to running at 720p.

KDV · May 27, 2017

dontlistentome :

If I can use 2GB on this PC I will buy a 2GB card. But what about my psu? Is it too bad?

KDV · May 27, 2017

jaslion :

How can I see if my psu has a bad condition?

jaslion · May 27, 2017

KDV :

I just know it's low quality random brand garbage.

10tacle · May 27, 2017

KDV :

Without professional testing equipment, about all you can do is download and run a hardware monitoring program like https://www.hwinfo.com/ . Watch the +12v, +5v, and +3.3v readings while stress loading your PC and see if any fluctuate beyond the +/-5% ATX specs:

ATX power supply voltages specification :

+12 VDC
Tolerance : ±5% (±0.60 V)
Range (min. to max.) : +11.40 V to +12.60 V

+5 VDC
Tolerance : ±5% (±0.25 V)
Range (min. to max.) : +4.75 V to +5.25 V

+3.3 VDC
Tolerance : ±5% (±0.165 V)
Range (min. to max.) : +3.135 V to +3.465 V

Also, some lower quality PSUs do not put out their full wattage past a certain temperature (similar to a video card or CPU thermal throttling). Did you buy your PSU from a retailer or did you pull it from a Dell or HP like OEM build PC?

KDV · May 27, 2017

10tacle :

KDV :

Without professional testing equipment, about all you can do is download and run a hardware monitoring program like https://www.hwinfo.com/ . Watch the +12v, +5v, and +3.3v readings while stress loading your PC and see if any fluctuate beyond the +/-5% ATX specs:

ATX power supply voltages specification :

+12 VDC
Tolerance : ±5% (±0.60 V)
Range (min. to max.) : +11.40 V to +12.60 V

+5 VDC
Tolerance : ±5% (±0.25 V)
Range (min. to max.) : +4.75 V to +5.25 V

+3.3 VDC
Tolerance : ±5% (±0.165 V)
Range (min. to max.) : +3.135 V to +3.465 V

Also, some lower quality PSUs do not put out their full wattage past a certain temperature (similar to a video card or CPU thermal throttling). Did you buy your PSU from a retailer or did you pull it from a Dell or HP like OEM build PC?

Its not a Dell of HP, I dont know which brand it is, its not writed on the pc case

I know only components brand.

KDV · May 27, 2017

10tacle :

I downloaded hwinfo.

10tacle · May 27, 2017

Download and run a stress test program like AIDA64 and post a screenshot. At idle any flaws of the PSU will not reveal themselves.

KDV · May 27, 2017

10tacle :

I have a other question, GTX 660 does this card need two 6pin, or one? My PSU has only one 6pin

10tacle · May 27, 2017

KDV :

All of them only require a single 6-pin PCIe power connectors if I remember correctly. Now my GTX 680s in SLI in my old Sandy Bridge gaming rig use two 6-pin adapters each (I'm going to be parting that rig out soon and would have made you a deal on one, lol).

KDV · May 27, 2017

10tacle :

Ah okay, I use now one 6pin on my HD 3850. I checked a few minutes ago on youtube I saw two 6pins, but its the Ti model

GTX 660 normal needs one 6pin (If i true).

10tacle · May 27, 2017

Yeah the 660Ti uses two 6-pins like the 760 (which I would have recommended you buy instead, but the point is moot). Probably very little difference in price on the used market between them all these days but the 760 is really a much better GPU for the money all things considered. https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_760/8.html

KDV · May 27, 2017

10tacle :

Hmm, what do u think?

KDV · May 27, 2017

10tacle :

Yes 760 is a nice one, but I see now its a two 6pin card, but I have only one 6pin. or I need to buy a 4pin to 6pin adapter. (I don't know if its gonna work...)

10tacle · May 27, 2017

Looks perfectly stable to me. No big spikes anywhere in the rather short test. I figured if Dell uses that PSU in their server-class PCs, then it can't be all that bad.

10tacle · May 27, 2017

KDV :

No, don't use adapters for different power cables. The voltages can be different causing problems (and possibly damaging the GPU). It's always best to use exactly the connectors directly instead of adapters to make it work - it's critical in higher powered video cards of which the 760 is one. Like the old saying goes: "Use the correct tool for the correct job."

KDV · May 27, 2017

10tacle :

Haha, your true

I think GTX 660 will be enough...

Or do u advice other gpu models?

10tacle · May 27, 2017

KDV :

Nope. Barring replacing your PSU with one that has more 6-pin PCIe power connectors (now most new ones have 6+2 for 8-pin GPU needs), I'd say you have found about the best you can do.

KDV · May 27, 2017

10tacle :

Can u advice ATI cards? A equivalent wıth 660.

10tacle · May 27, 2017

KDV :

Well that's where things get complicated. It would be the HD 7850 depending on the game. Some games do better with the 660, others with the 7850. Flip through the different 1080p game benchmarks here (yes, they are older games because it's an old review). Use the drop down box to choose different game benchmarks. But it will give you an idea:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7103/nvidia-geforce-gtx-760-review/5

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