Worth upgrading? Or wait?

Dorkarts Gaming

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Current buikd is .....
I5-2300
Acer predator motherboard
Gtx 1050 2 gb evga
16gb ddr3 1600mhz ram
Wd 1tb hdd
Predator case
Evga 700w psu

Looking to spend about 300 if i do any upgrades. Was thinking ryzen 1400 with mobo and ram
 
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Well, it's really difficult to track down the motherboard specifications on this. Although, since some of the other similar models (i.e. G3-610) seem to support core i7 chips, you could probably work with those.

Best link I could find: http://www.userbenchmark.com/System/Acer-Predator-G3600/13870

Looks like a few people have core i3s, some have your i5 (or similar models), & a lot have upgraded to an i7-2600. On the one hand, that gets you more threads (going from 4C/4T to 4C/8T), & a faster processor to boot (2.8GHz core/2.9-3.1GHz Turbo to 3.4GHz core/3.5-3.8GHz Turbo). On the other hand...you're swapping a 2nd-tier CPU for another 2nd-tier CPU (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-hierarchy,4312.html), so I don't know...

spdragoo

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Well, depending on the motherboard, you might be able to install a Sandy Bridge i7, or maybe even upgrade your system to an Ivy Bridge i5 or i7, & at most maybe only have to update your BIOS. That would be the cheapest upgrade to extend that rig.

GPU-wise, the GTX 1050 is a little on the lean side for 1080p gaming. It'll do OK, but it's not the greatest. If you have the cash, a GTX 1060 (6GB) would be a nice upgrade -- or, if you want to go Team Red, an RX 470/480/570/580 would do the trick as well.
 
$300 will not likely buy you a 1400, mobo and 16gb of ram. More like $385.

I think you have a nicely balanced system now.

While, I think your particular games are limited by cpu power, they tend to be single threaded and not amenable to the very nice threading that ryzen offers.
Likely intel core speed will prevail.

Your graphics card is not the strongest.

Here is my stock approach to researching this perennial problem.

Some games are graphics limited like fast action shooters.
Others are cpu core speed limited like strategy, sims, and mmo.
Multiplayer with many participants tend to like many threads.

You need to find out which.
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To help clarify your CPU/GPU options, run these two tests:

a) Run YOUR games, but lower your resolution and eye candy.
If your FPS increases, it indicates that your cpu is strong enough to drive a better graphics configuration.
If your FPS stays the same, you are likely more cpu limited.

b) Limit your cpu, either by reducing the OC, or, in windows power management, limit the maximum cpu% to something like 70%.
Go to control panel/power options/change plan settings/change advanced power settings/processor power management/maximum processor state/
This will simulate what a lack of cpu power will do.
Conversely what a 30% improvement in core speed might do.

You should also experiment with removing one or more cores. You can do this in the windows msconfig boot advanced options option.
You will need to reboot for the change to take effect. Set the number of processors to less than you have.
This will tell you how sensitive your games are to the benefits of many threads.
If you see little difference, your game does not need all the threads you have.



It is possible that both tests are positive, indicating that you have a well balanced system,
and both cpu and gpu need to be upgraded to get better gaming FPS.
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As to upgrade now or wait...
If you have a need now, and the budget now, go ahead and upgrade.
If you wait for the next best thing, you will wait forever.

Your i3-2300 has a passmark rating of 5313 and a single thread rating of 1574.
Ryzen 1400 costs $170 and also runs 4 threads and has a passmark rating of 8571 and a single thread rating of 1721.
The intel I3-7350K(4 threads also) price has recently been reduced to $150 and has a passmark rating of 6782 but a superior single thread rating of 2522.
I do not know how representative these passmark numbers are for these relatively new products.
Also, I do not know if they include overclocking.
Food for thought.
 

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assuming you already have PSU, case, GPU this is what I came up with
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QskDd6
CPU
Intel - Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor

Motherboard
Gigabyte - GA-H110M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard

Memory
G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory

Storage
Seagate - FireCuda 500GB 2.5" 5400RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive

SSHD is optional, but it will speed up a bit everything, but it is up to you. You can check on youtube people playing BF1 1080 ultra at 60 fps no problem with this specs

You also have an option to upgrade cpu for a bit extra $

CPU
Intel - Core i5-6400 2.7GHz Quad-Core Processor

With this CPU your build will cost $320

of course you can also sell your existing CPU, Mobo, RAM and get a bit money back and maybe invest into SSD

I also have i7 4770 + 32gb ram + mobo for sell if you interested, I'm asking $400
 

Dorkarts Gaming

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The i5 mentioned is only a 20% upgrade where as the ryzen for the same price is a 43% upgrade and kills the performance of the i3 from what ive read. Can get ryzen with mobo and 8gb 2x4 for 288 what are your thoughts. Plan on selling my gpu in a few months and getting a 6gb 1060
 

spdragoo

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Well, it's really difficult to track down the motherboard specifications on this. Although, since some of the other similar models (i.e. G3-610) seem to support core i7 chips, you could probably work with those.

Best link I could find: http://www.userbenchmark.com/System/Acer-Predator-G3600/13870

Looks like a few people have core i3s, some have your i5 (or similar models), & a lot have upgraded to an i7-2600. On the one hand, that gets you more threads (going from 4C/4T to 4C/8T), & a faster processor to boot (2.8GHz core/2.9-3.1GHz Turbo to 3.4GHz core/3.5-3.8GHz Turbo). On the other hand...you're swapping a 2nd-tier CPU for another 2nd-tier CPU (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-hierarchy,4312.html), so I don't know how much real-world boost you'd get from that.

I really wish I could have found something more official link-wise, though. Given the sockets & chipset (H67), I would have thought that you could have upgraded to an Ivy Bridge CPU as well, which could theoretically let you get an i5-3570 (pretty much equal to the i7-2600 but with no HyperThreading) or i7-3770 (i5-3570 with HyperThreading), either of which would move you to 1st-tier. But I couldn't find anything official in my searching...

EDIT: Sorry, H67 chipset, not H61.
 
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