Conflicted between Ryzen abd Intel Kaby Lake

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Hello all,

So I would like to know if the i7-7700 Kaby Lake is a better buy or the AMD Ryzen 1700x or 1800x. I have seen a lot of reviews and benchmarks on these. It seems the i7 is good in many ways. I would like a workstation though as well as a beast gaming rig.

My wife and I are both in IT, she does cybersecurity. So I would need a workstation that can handle anything. I mostly do databases(huge) HTML and webdesign and my wife would use photo editing a lot. I am giving up console gaming, so I would like to be able to game when I get the feeling to.

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Some of the things are, but the basics are fine. The CPU cooler is kind of overkill, even a 240mm radiator will provide more than enough cooling power for a 1700x. The RAM is good, but you can save almost 20% by going with very slightly slower speed RAM that is still very high quality. The case is also kind of big, Full Towers really only make sense for custom watercooling loops these days. You can fit pretty much anything in a mid tower. There are a lot of high quality cases that will be less heavy and massive that will fit everything on this list easily. Finally, 850W is a lot of power supply unless you plan on adding a 2nd GTX 1080 at some point. If you do, then you'll have to change the motherboard as the B350 chipset doesn't...
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Managing a database USUALLY doesn't require a ton of processing power and USUALLY doesn't take advantage of that many cores. Obviously there are exceptions, but I can't imagine you're managing a large corporation's metadata on your personal computer. HTML, webdesign, and photo editing are all pretty light tasks. That being said, there's really not that much of a reason to buy the 7700 or 7700k unless you're specifically focusing on high refresh rate gaming (120hz+++). Personally, if I was in your shoes, I'd get the R5 1600 and overclock it a little bit. The 1700X and 1800X are hard to justify unless you're 100% sure that you can use 16 threads, the 1700X costs 50% more (depending on where you buy) for only 33% more processing power.
 
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That is true. I doubt I will need that much. I just want to ensure that I can use it for a while. My wife will do video editing and other things of that sort. So would it be a waste? I still want to be able to game as well though! like Fallout, Civ 6 and a few other high end games. Nothing too crazy. Recommendations for builds?
 
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Some of the things are, but the basics are fine. The CPU cooler is kind of overkill, even a 240mm radiator will provide more than enough cooling power for a 1700x. The RAM is good, but you can save almost 20% by going with very slightly slower speed RAM that is still very high quality. The case is also kind of big, Full Towers really only make sense for custom watercooling loops these days. You can fit pretty much anything in a mid tower. There are a lot of high quality cases that will be less heavy and massive that will fit everything on this list easily. Finally, 850W is a lot of power supply unless you plan on adding a 2nd GTX 1080 at some point. If you do, then you'll have to change the motherboard as the B350 chipset doesn't support SLI on any mobos that I know of.

This is what I'd get if I was putting a build with these main parts together:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Nkmwf8

Obv. everyone has their own idea of what they want their build to be, if you want something then sometimes it's worth the peace of mind to just buy it rather than regretting it down the road even if it doesn't make a difference in actual performance, sometimes all people care about is price to performance. Find where you fall on that spectrum and make decisions based on that.
 
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The ultimate is Ryzen 7 1800x CPU and Crosshair VI Hero MB and that would handle anything.
It depends on your budget ofc and you can save a little with the 1700X which is not far behind.
I have this combo and I can throw anything at it. I needed a top performing system for 3D CAD and video editing.
You can check my build log here: https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?92489-New-Ryzen-7-1800X-build-impressions and a comparison with Intel CPUs. June release of AGESA (v1.0.0.6) Bios and is about due for release to address new OC RAM which has been a slight issue atm.

 
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If your referring to me chemmajorp53 :( Yes I could agree, however I have no budget constraint and just wanted the best.
There is more than just marginal performance if you OC to MAX and with decent OC RAM. As always a decent cooler and PSU is a must have.
 
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Looks solid. Can the fans on that corsair be changed to have color? Would you recommend waiting for the Vega and Volta release for my build? Do you believe it will be worth it?
 
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For 1800 without RAM I think you can build a better computer. Now you stated handle anything are you meaning gaming? I ask cause you added a gaming card.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-6850K 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor ($471.06 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - X99 Extreme4 ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($144.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($247.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Western Digital - BLACK SERIES 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($116.45 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Video Card ($499.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair - Carbide 400C ATX Mid Tower Case ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1860.33
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-08 14:37 EDT-0400


Can get a Full ATX with the same cost as well.
 
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Once you cross a level of cost you can really change and add parts. You can also go to the 6800k and save 100 buck if you wanted to AIO it for water cooling. I feel that Workstation would be better suited for the HEDT platform. So might want to wait till Treadripper comes out.
 
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Yes gaming as well. I will no longer be using Xbox or Ps4. But I need it for streaming movies and as well for video editing and such
 
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Well the 6850K for the most part is better than the 1700x across the board. The 1800x will beat it on a few processes but that is a close race. Jumping to the 6 core as I had in the build here will really aid in the video editing. There is not too many reviews pitting the 6850k to a 1700. But the 1800x does trade blows with this, so I would guess the Single Core advantage with the Intel would be enough for me to pick that platform. I would say at 1800 bucks I would want the max level chips set which you are not getting in your build. Remember there are USB and other lanes that the 350 doesn't have and the x370 does. As for the x99 that is the top level chipset for a week or two from intel.
 
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One thing is your build used a Sata SSD while I added a m.2 That CAN be 2x faster due to using 2 sata channels, but NVMe is the bomb. Also I added a 2TB dues to video editing files will fill up 500GB fast.
 
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The 6850k is the CPU that makes the least sense in the x99 lineup, why would you buy it when the 6800k is $140 less and basically the same thing if you don't need the extra 12 pcie lanes. 1700X and a compatible mobo costs less than a 6800k and mobo and will give a 6900K a run for its money. No reason to buy anything on x99 right now either with x299 coming very soon.
 
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1800X 3.6GHz 8-Core Processor ($455.81 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H100i v2 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($107.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock - X370 KILLER SLI/ac ATX AM4 Motherboard ($126.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($247.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Western Digital - BLACK SERIES 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($116.45 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB G1 ROCK Video Card ($474.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair - Carbide Clear 600C ATX Full Tower Case ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($74.88 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1840.06
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-08 16:37 EDT-0400



Here is a 1800x with a x370 about the same price
 
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Yeah I was looking to add the 12 for NVMe I think they use 4 lanes plus the Sata lanes as well. But good call for sure. I stated as well with x299 and x399 Threadripper this is going to be a good year for HEDT
 
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