New PC Build: AMD Ryzen Chips or Intel?

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Hi All,

I'm looking to build a new PC primarily for fairly high-end gaming and was originally set on an AMD Ryzen processor. However I'm now conflicted and hearing various pros and cons so thought I'd turn to the forums for some help.

Happy to provide more info as needed.

Cheers, Alex :)
 
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I mean each side has their pros and cons to be honest. However, if you are stricly using this for gaming, and you want the best bang for your buck, Ryzen is probably your choice. What's your budget?

Do you have an OS? Do you neeed a monitor? What about keyboard and mouse?
 
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Will need an OS. Currently have a Gaming PC that's about 3 to 4 years old, so looking to do a full upgrade.

Budget is probably around 1,000 - 1,500 AUD

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Intel's i7 7700k will deliver higher framerates than any Ryzen CPU if you're aiming for 120-144fps. If you want to stream, Ryzen has a lot of extra resources and won't take as large a hit. If you're only aiming for 60fps, both are more than adequate.
 
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Here's a good starting point, right under $1500 AUD (man these are some high prices). The GTX 1080 is probably going to be a beast in itself, and should handle any game at 1440p with no problems. It should even be able to do light 4K gaming if you have the monitor. of course you can dial it back down to a GTX 1070 or even a RX 580 8GB. Just wanted to show you what your options were:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($297.00 @ Shopping Express)
Motherboard: MSI - B350M GAMING PRO Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($119.00 @ Shopping Express)
Memory: GeIL - SUPER LUCE 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($159.00 @ Umart)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($63.00 @ Shopping Express)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB WINDFORCE OC 8G Video Card ($699.00 @ Umart)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($135.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Total: $1472.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Wow, you guys are super helpful, and quick!

My current system as per Speccy is listed below:

CPU: AMD FX-8150
GPU: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7870
RAM: 16.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 671MHz
STORAGE:

  • 111GB INTEL SSDSC2CT120A3 ATA Device (SSD)
    1863GB Seagate ST2000DM001-9YN164 ATA Device (SATA)
    223GB SanDisk SDSSDXP240G ATA Device (SSD)
 
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If we knew the voltage of that RAM, you may want to consider Haswell parts to save the most amount of money. You definitely do not need any more storage space. Honestly, that 7870 isn't too shabby as well.

What type of power supply do you have?
 
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This is true, just trying to find the best way to save money, especially with having to buy new RAM sticks as mentioned in my above post.

If I were in your shoes, I would go the Ryzen route, and stick with the 1600. It should offer more than enough power to handle games, and will allow you to stream and multi-tasking as well. The 7700K is over $450 AUD, so I find it hard to truly recommend it and maintaining a high-end GPU.

That's just my three cents.
 
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I think this may be a little off-topic for me although I hugely appreciate the help.

I should be more specific:

I'm really just tossing up on processors at current and not sure whether to run with an AMD Ryzen, or an Intel.

I've been reading a lot that basically states the following more or less:

  • - Intel generally runs cooler.
    - AMD boasts more cores in the Ryzen chips (however this seems to benefit mostly streaming and heavy content creation.)
    - Intel currently are more widely compatible and stable.

For me personally, I'm primarily building the pc for gaming with some potentially light video editing and photoshop work on the side. This being said, I've never had any real issues with either photoshop or editing in past.

Ideally I'd like to run most games at 60fps minimum. The card I had eyes on was the Nvidia 1060 6GB in terms of bang for buck; but suggestion is welcome there too!

Thanks :D
 
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Ryzen really shook things up. It's only maybe 10-15% slower per clock than Intel's offerings, and you can get more cores for the same price. In the US, a Ryzen 1600 runs ~$220 and you get 6 cores / 12 threads. An i7 7700 runs ~$300 and you get 4 cores / 8 threads.

Now, in most cases, the 1600's extra cores / threads sit unused, but it's also close enough in performance per clock that it isn't the serious tradeoff the FX series were. In pure gaming, Intel's offerings still win, but for mixed workloads Ryzen offers a very strong value.

EDIT: Regarding power consumption and heat, both Ryzen and Intel CPUs are very efficient. You can't really compare temperature directly because they're all read differently. The Ryzen "X" CPUs automatically read 20c higher than the non-X, even if they're physically the same temperature, and Intel chips will happily run at 80-90c for longer than they'll be useful. However both companies have 65 watt TDP offerings.
 
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You may want to go this route then. I still cannot suggest the 7700K, but the 7600K isn't that bad either. Sure you lose 4 threads, but the utilization for the cores is still there. I had a 6600K, and really had no problems with it. But being a content creator, and really depending on my machine, I needed to upgrade. With that said, the GTX 1070, is a great card, and should offer no problems at 1080p as well.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-7600K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($323.00 @ Shopping Express)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($55.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-Z270-Gaming K3 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($219.00 @ Shopping Express)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws 4 series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($159.00 @ Umart)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB AMP! Edition Video Card ($569.00 @ Scorptec)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($135.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Total: $1460.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Personally, I don't think the 7600K is a good value. All said and done, an i7 7700-based machine will be around the same price or cheaper, and in most cases faster too. OP can use a less expensive B250 motherboard, will not need an aftermarket cooler, and can probably get away with a smaller power supply too.
 
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So to my understanding:

Ryzen offerings are great for a multi-tasking users who perhaps game and stream or create content.

Intel has lower cores however with optimisation and hyperthreading it uses those cores more efficiently and is slightly better for gaming.

This was taken from logical increments about the Ryzen 5 1600x:

AMD Ryzen 5 1600X (Ryzen/Summit Ridge)

A 6-core/12-thread AMD alternative to the i5 7600K. Beats it in multi-threaded applications, but lags a little in lightly-threaded applications. If you are 100% pure gaming (and not streaming), upgrade to the i5 7600K. Otherwise, this is the better CPU.
 
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Basically. However, enough games these days are able to effectively utilize more than 4 threads that i5's are probably not a good choice anymore. It's more a debate of 12 thread 1600 vs 8 thread 7700.

AMD also sells an 8 thread CPU (Ryzen 1400, 1500X) for about 25% less than the 4 thread i5 7600K.
 
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Ahh I see what you're saying, so considering games are slowly utilising more threads and more efficiently, the cost-effective choice would arguably be the Ryzen 1600/1600x for me?
 
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Thats your bang for buck option.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($299.00 @ Umart)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($124.00 @ Umart)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($172.00 @ Umart)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB 6GT OC Video Card ($369.00 @ Umart)
Total: $964.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-13 02:08 AEST+1000

Consider a 1070 because it'll likely see you out for 3 years minimum at 1080p.
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/fPFXsY/asus-geforce-gtx-1070-8gb-dual-video-card-dual-gtx1070-o8g
 
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In truth I was leaning towards Intel, but given some of the stress-testing and benchmarking I've seen, and particularly cost, I'm thinking the Ryzen 5 line up is looking like a good choice for me.

Plus, with saved dollars I'd happily leap for 1070 GPU.
 
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Exactly what you should be doing mate.
The ryzens are actually decently priced in oz, The intels are definitely not.

an i7 + 1060 combo costs virtually the same as a ryzen 1600 + 1070
Honestly I dont know anyone who'd pick the i7 combo at that price,it would be totally nonsensical.
& thats the locked i7 & a straight h270 board at that,a k series + z series board would cost you around $100 more (it doesnt come with a cooler)

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($299.00 @ Umart)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($124.00 @ Umart)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($172.00 @ Umart)
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Dual Series Video Card ($542.10 @ Skycomp Technology)
Total: $1137.10
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-13 02:33 AEST+1000

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-7700 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($414.00 @ Shopping Express)
Motherboard: ASRock - Fatal1ty B250 Gaming K4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($149.00 @ Mwave Australia)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($172.00 @ Umart)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB GT OCV1 Video Card ($369.00 @ Umart)
Total: $1104.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-13 02:36 AEST+1000
 
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Thanks for the massive help man!

So here's another question for you:

I'm torn between the 1600 and 1600x, and what coolers to use. That is to say the 1600, despite coming with the wraith could benefit with an aftermarket bringing it roughly to the cost of the 1600x. I hope what I'm saying sort of makes sense?
 
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AS long as youre not living in a tin shack with no air-con in the middle of the outback mate,the wraith spire that comes with the 1600 is plenty good enough (even for overclocking to 3.8/3.9ghz)
Dont even consider the 1600x - not worth the money,the same chip,clocked 200mhz higher with no cooler included ,for more money ?? Makes no sense to me at all.
Amd played the same game with the 8320/8350/8370 on the fx chips - you at least got a slightly better cooler with the 8370 for your $60 extra but still hardly a bargain.

If your room temps are mid 20's generally you dont need an aftermarket cooler full stop with the 1600.
 
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