Gaming PC (Budget: ~$3000): Need Advice / Recommendations

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Hey all, I’m building a gaming rig, and I’m looking for advice. This will be the first PC that I’ve built from scratch, although I have upgraded/disassembled computers/laptops before.

Brief description: I’ll mainly be using this computer to play World of Warcraft (WoW), which is very single-thread CPU intensive. I also own an Xbox One, which I plan to use for any game that my friends have on Xbox Live (unless that game offers cross play). I’m looking for a computer that can handle streaming movies, TV shows, or music while gaming with high framerates and no lag (although I have read that zero lag is impossible in raids and other areas of WoW). I usually play with Discord open, and I might want to start streaming/capturing video while I play.

Approximate Purchase Date: ASAP, unless the price decrease / performance increase of waiting is substantial (I don’t keep up with Computex)

Budget Range: ~$3000

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming (WoW), Streaming movies / TV / music, web browsing, Microsoft Outlook, Adobe Photoshop / Illustrator (mild, hobby use)

Parts Not Required: Mouse (Razer Naga) & Headset (Razer ManO’War)

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Newegg.com, Amazon.com (Prime), Monoprice.com, & Bestbuy.com

Country: USA

Overclocking: Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe in the future

Monitor Resolution: 2560x1440 (preferred, but flexible)


Below is my parts list so far (compiled using LogicalIncrements.com, Passmark.com, and recommendations from others). Please let me know what you think.

CPU: Intel - Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($339.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 3 67.8 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler ($89.90 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-Z270X-Gaming 5 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($169.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($127.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital - BLACK SERIES 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($119.99 @ Best Buy)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB FTW Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card ($569.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair - 780T ATX Full Tower Case ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA P2 850W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($159.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Asus - PG279Q ROG Swift 27.0" 2560x1440 165Hz Monitor ($799.00 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Razer - Blackwidow X Chroma Wired Gaming Keyboard ($149.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $2811.81
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-17 20:29 EDT-0400


Questions that I have (there’s a lot, but I’m not necessarily expecting one person to answer them all):

1. Any recommendations and/or critiques? (Nothing is set in stone, so any and all advice is definitely welcomed.)

2. What results should I expect from this rig at different game settings
----- Will it be overkill? If it is, are there any cuts that I can make, to save money, that won’t noticeably affect the rig’s performance?

3. If I did overclock this, would I need a different air cooler, additional fans, and/or AIO Cooler (I’m a bit skeptical of liquid cooling)?

4. PCPartPicker has the following compatibility notes for my above build: The motherboard M.2 slot #0 shares bandwidth with a SATA Express port. When the M.2 slot is populated, one SATA Express port is disabled. Will this be a problem?

5. Opinions on my choice of computer case? (I mainly picked it because I saw that it was well rated, it is recommended on multiple sites, and I like how it looks.)
----- Other recommendations?

6. I have been told that my psu is overkill, and pcpartpicker.com estimates that my build will only need ~430W. (I was originally looking at the EVGA SuperNOVA 750 P2 750W, but the 850 is only an extra $15).
----- Should I downgrade my psu? If yes, suggestions for replacement?

7. I’d like the rig to be “futureproof” (i.e. always ahead of the curve) so any advice on how to keep the build current?

8. Is it worth it to buy a high-end thermal paste, or should the thermal paste that comes with the cooler be sufficient?
----- For someone that has never applied thermal paste before, which would you recommend (taking in to account ease of application, but also performance)?
----- I hear that thermal Grizzly Kryonaut is generally regarded as "the best,” but that ARTIC MX-4 is also very highly recommended. Is either one easier to apply than the other?

8. For a first time builder, any suggestions for cable management?

9. Are you aware of any cheaper monitors with similar performance?

Thank you in advance!
 
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Gaming and streaming, in a single machine, Ryzen is your best option.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($299.39 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - R1 Universal 76.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($98.49 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Motherboard: ASRock - X370 KILLER SLI/ac ATX AM4 Motherboard ($148.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($143.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial - MX300 1.1TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($275.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Toshiba - X300 5TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($146.34 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Zotac -...

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Here's a great alternative if you're interested. I left some of the things such as case and etc since they're kinda personal choices

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($299.39 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - DARK ROCK TF 67.8 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler ($75.39 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME X370-PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard ($149.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($126.59 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($127.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($88.95 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB STRIX GAMING Video Card ($779.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair - 780T ATX Full Tower Case ($154.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($88.17 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Asus - PG279Q ROG Swift 27.0" 2560x1440 165Hz Monitor ($799.00 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Razer - Blackwidow X Chroma Wired Gaming Keyboard ($149.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $2839.94
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-17 23:19 EDT-0400
 

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Thanks for your answer. Below are my comments based on your suggestions:

CPU: I’d like to keep the i7-7700K 4.2 GHz (over the Ryzen 7 1700), because, from my research, WoW’s limiting factor seems to be single-thread CPU. Cpubenchmark.net has the i7-7700k as the best rated CPU in terms of single-thread performance (with a single-thread rating that is 47.29% higher than the Ryzen 7 1700).

CPU Cooler: I will look into the be quiet! Dark Rock TF, but is there a specific reason that you recommended it over the Dark Rock Pro 3 (i.e. space issues with my current case/build/RAM)?

Motherboard: Inapplicable, due to Intel chipset

Memory: I’ll probably keep my memory as Vengeance RGB (as opposed to Vengeance LPX), for aesthetic purposes (unless there is something glaring wrong with them that I am missing). However, I noticed that your RAM selection has a lower memory speed (3000 MHz) than mine (3200 MHz). Was that just because the increased performance isn’t worth the increase in price (~$25)?

Storage 2: I’ll check out the Seagate Barracuda (as opposed to the Western Digital Black), since the price difference is substantial.

Videocard: I’ll take a more detailed look at the ASUS GTX 1080 Ti ROG STRIX after work

Power Supply: Per your recommendations, I will downgrade my PSU to the 650W.

Thank you again!
 

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Gaming and streaming, in a single machine, Ryzen is your best option.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($299.39 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - R1 Universal 76.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($98.49 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Motherboard: ASRock - X370 KILLER SLI/ac ATX AM4 Motherboard ($148.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($143.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial - MX300 1.1TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($275.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Toshiba - X300 5TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($146.34 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB AMP Edition Video Card ($694.79 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair - 780T ATX Full Tower Case ($154.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($119.69 @ SuperBiiz)
Monitor: Acer - Predator XB1 27.0" 2560x1440 165Hz Monitor ($479.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Corsair - STRAFE RGB Wired Gaming Keyboard ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $2672.63
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-19 14:15 EDT-0400
 
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Specifically on the i7 vs 1700 in WoW, the 1700 is capable of more than enough fps while playing and is able to even stream with over 60 fps not even breaking a sweat.
 

WaNtEdAmErIcAn

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Thank you for your answers so far.

As a followup, if I'm not looking to stream gameplay (as I said above, it's only a possibility that I might be interested in doing so at some point), would you still recommend the Ryzen 7 over the i7-7700k?