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Yep lol, it's 'another one of those'. Fanboys prohibited. I have a specific question that doesn't really seem to uncover the blindfold on the hardcore Ryzen fanboys, nor the Intel fanboys. So to give a short intro. Way back when, I bought an AMD CPU because I didn't know what I was doing and I bought something cheap for gaming. A year or so after that I bought an i5 2500k and it blew me away how much better it was. Not only did I double FPS in my games, but my PC overall was about 3 times faster. I never looked back at AMD... until Ryzen.

Now several years later, I have a pretty i5 4690k on water @4.4 that allows me to max out pretty much anything I throw at it while paired with my GTX 1080. Well, now my wife needs a new CPU and I'm thinking about getting into streaming some game play. So the deal is I buy myself a better CPU for streaming while not sacrificing gaming performance and the wife get the pretty 4690k, a massive upgrade over her current A10-6700.

Everywhere I look, Ryzen gets absolutely owned in *MOST* titles, and by a significant margin, we're talking a good 15-30 FPS. This is of course in comparison to a i7 7700k which I am considering for purchase, or perhaps waiting on the i7 8800k or whatever it will be. Yet everyone I ask says, "switch to team Ryzen". So I guess the question is, " What does Ryzen have to offer a streamer that is worth a rather large sacrifice in gaming performance"? I7 CPU's are more than capable for high quality streaming, is Ryzen worth the gaming performance loss just for streaming game play? I don't think so, but I would really like to hear what non fanboys have to say about it.
 
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I don't know what team this puts me in, but I love both, but I prefer different chips for different purposes.

The G4560 for example, is probably the best budget gaming chip on the newer platforms. After that, I switch to Ryzen with the 1500x being the next step up the ladder, followed by the 1600 (best price : performance on the market currently), and then the 1700. I think that 1700 beats the 7600k and is worth the extra money. After that, I think the 7700k has the top spot. That's for regular old gaming.

For streaming, I like the 7700k more than the Ryzen competitor when looking at price (the 1700), but I like the 1800x overall. The extra cores certainly help.

Lastly, for multithreaded applications like photoshop, I think it's just about equal. the 7700k has price, but the 1800x has the threads to handle everything.

So what team does that put me in?
 
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[video="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jludqTnPpnU&t=95s"][/video]Streaming wise your stuck to the I7's GPU required video compression presets. Streaming also cost a bit more fps on gaming for I7. Here is a video that lines out the advantages of Ryzen 1700 vs the 7700k streaming.
 
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Well, it is certainly not a "large sacrifice", at least not objectively (subjectively, for some people even 5% is a large sacrifice - that 15 to 30 fps really means nothing if you are already above 150 fps to begin with, right?) and the gap is closing more and more every day as more optimisations emerge for Ryzen and platform gets new updates.

At the moment, however, you are correct - Ryzen actually cannot offer a streamer anything that i7 cannot do. The key word is "at the moment", since the trend is for games to use more and more cores and hyperthreading on a 4-core CPU likely won't be able to cut it, physical cores will matter more for sure.

But when this happens on a larger scale, Intel will likely already have a new gen of mainstream CPUs out, probably with 6 cores and more, so... it is safe to say, both options are perfectly valid at the moment. If you need slightly better fps at lower resolutions, go Intel. If you need better value for your money, go for AMD. Simple as that.


 
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The Ryzen is your better option. The i7-7700k will perform better in most games due to better IPC and optimizations. For gaming + Streaimg the higher core count ryzens are better, as they have extra threads to help with encoding the live stream. talking about the 1800 or 1700 skus
 
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this answer to your question is a bit complicated.
for streaming you would be better with 6-8 real cores.
if you absolutely want the highest FPS, go with intel like the i7-6800K or whatever else for the same price. of course best results achieved with overclocking. on intel platform it's easier and more rewarding as you can push significantly more.
On ryzen, the 8 cores are good only (IMHO) for sub 100Hz monitors. if you feel brave enough to overclock them you really should. also getting compatible ram that can be clocked to 3000+ MHz. the other important thing about ryzen, for 8 (and even 6) cores you MUST get X370 to overclock. every B350 has crappy VRM - not good. Anyway, ryzen gets new stepping, b2. it should resolve some issues with memory. if you going to get ryzen, wait for them and get it.
 
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Well, Ryzen of course. But if you want intel CPUs you take only 7th Gen CPU. Ryzen are better kinda for a better 3d modelling software or similar while Intel CPU is better for gaming.
 
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Sitting at 52 FPS vs 70 FPS when trying to maintain 60, it is indeed a big sacrifice, and it's not subjective, but most definitely objective. I've yet to see a single Ryzen optimization that put it in the same ballpark as it's Intel counterpart. Only one example has been given where performance was increased due to "a patch" and that was in Rise of the Tomb Raider. I keep hearing the, "As Ryzen gets more updates, it's gaming performance gets better", yet I've seen only one piece of evidence in one game.

 
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I guess that would have to assume that you'd rather have a slightly higher stream quality at the loss of game quality?
 
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As with everything in life there are trade offs, that is this one. They Extra cores on the Ryzen make it a better heavy multitasker(gaming and streaming simultaneously), than the quad core i7s, the i7 have better clocks, IPC and optimizations. Ive not seen any third party reviews on the specific use case of Streaming and Gaming, but AMD did a peice on it in the New Horizons Event. They compare a 6700k 6900k and an R7 1800x. They 6700k was oced. They were playing a moba, gaming and streaming. The higher core count 6900k and 1800x played through it just fine, but the 4c 6700k struggled to keep of with encoding the stream.

IMO if you are going to stream, the extra resource for encoding outwiegh the loss in gaming performance significantly. But this only applies if Streaming is in your gameplan. If you dont want to stream then the 7700k is the way to go.


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Next gen intel stuff is coming out that bring the price for 6/8 intel cores closer to that of Ryzen. The 7800x and 7820x are 6/8 skylake cores so IPC should be similiar to the 6700k but with the extra cores for streaming.

http://promotions.newegg.com/NEemail/Guerrilla/LP/17-JUN/index-landing_87pck4ql_19.html?utm_medium=Email&utm_source=GD061917&cm_mmc=EMC-GD061917-_-index-_-E0C-_-Blitz&et_cid=34416&et_rid=915546&et_p1=&email64=am9uZXMud2lsbGlhbS4yMDEyQGdtYWlsLmNvbQ==
 
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The quality difference between software and Nvidia/AMD/Intel hardware encoding is quite noticeable at lower bit rates in fast-moving content. That's why software encode is preferred by many streamers.
 
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Ryzen. Period. Probably happiest with the 1700 and OC it or the 1600x/1700x and no OC, depending on budget.

If you are talking FPS variations of:
15 vs 30? Serious
45 vs 60? Significant
140 vs 155? Stupid
 
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