Why is the i7 7700k considered the best CPU

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Okay I have been looking at building the best possible pc and the 7700k is considered the best Why? I see 8 core 4.7 ghz cpus and the 7700k has 4 cores and 4.2 ghz why in the world is that considered the best cpu
 
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If this was me I would go AMD. You plan on going to 4K gaming and want the most cores for the dollar then I would go with the AMD R7 1700 (if you plan to overclock) or the 1800X if you don't plan on OC or want absolute best OC (4.1ghz vz 3.9ghz on the 1700 approx, there is still a silicon lottery in effect). You could save some money and have a fairly future proof CPU that can stream your games/ watch youtube while you play them at the same time without your frame rate taking hit/stuttering, something a little harder on a 4C/8T CPU. Spend that extra money on a g-sync panel or m.2 drive like the samsung 960 evo. Heck you could even get an AMD R5 1600X with 6C/12T and still have a couple more cores/threads compared to the 7700K and save...


The 7700k has 4cores 8threads. A single core has amazing performance and thus is better for games that aren't optimized for multiple cores.
If you do anything other than gaming there are much better options than the i7 usually.
 

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I want to game heavily but when im not gaming I want to have a nice performance
 


What games are we talking about here? Budget for the whole pc? Do you do any video editing?
 
You may find THIS useful:
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/intel-core-i9-7900x-skylake-x,review-33922.html

I'm NOT recommending the i9, however this is full of good information comparing i7-7700K to i9-7900X to RYZEN etc. Be careful to note that the i7-7700K has some overclocking left too so you can add 10% in some scenarios.

If you look at games and other programs you'll see a HUGE difference depending on how threaded the applications are. As said, in general most games want the fastest FOUR CORE CPU though that's not true for every game.
 

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Well I want every game to be playable as I have a gtx 1080 ti in my build so I want when I see a game that looks fun I can go play that game no matter what and I don't do video editing but if I needed to it would be nice
 

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Every game would be playable on a AMD R7 same for Intel i7. Now Intel has a slight lead in FPS in games. At the moment an i7 is a little faster solution at 1080P, when you jump to 4K the difference is fairly mute and 1440P you basically split the difference with an AMD solution. Traditionally in gaming single core performance has been key though there are some indications that may change soon with DX12. This is why the i7 7700K gets so much attention for gamers. Some newer games like BF1, Watch Dogs 2 and Ghost Recon Wildlands will take every core/thread you throw its way. The current gen Xbox/PS systems both have 8 cores and so devs are getting more savy at using multi-threaded CPUs. Point being there is a long game in choosing your new CPU for gaming. At the moment the i7 is dominant in gaming but the AMD Ryzen line is still very good in gaming. They are even better in productivity where more cores and threads are well utilized. Then there is the fact AMD is cheaper. Saving you money or allowing you to put more somewhere else in your build (say a nice m.2 drive?). Don't get me wrong I am not banging for AMD. Though I am admittedly fond of their Ryzen line for no other reason then it is getting Intel back in the game. They have been on cruise control barely upping their IPC over the last 7 generations. At 4K for example I have very little reason to upgrade my old i7 3930K @4.2ghz for the gaming aspect of my use because I'll only net another 5-6% in frame rate. Now if I were at 1080P it be more like 20% but that only be relevant if I gamed on a 120-144hz monitor where I could squeeze those extra frames out. On a UHDTV 4K at 60hz...it is a non-issue. My CPU uses two GTX 1080s with little to no bottle-necking. So My question to you is what resolution do you game at? What kind of frame rate do you find acceptable? If your making your CPU purchase souly on game performance then Intel i7 is the way to go but it sounds like you might not be. If that where true I might well consider an AMD R7 1700-1800X. You'll get more bang for your buck, especially if your gaming at 1440P (2K)-2160P (4K).
 

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A 1080ti + 7700k combo is more than enough to max most games out at 1440p@60fps with ease.

The 7700k is a great gaming CPU, but gaming performance is usually more dependant on the GPU, with a few more intensive games seeing performance gains from that CPU.

That being said, the i5 7600k would have no issues handling most games with virtually no change in performance, but if you want the assurance, get a 7700k.

Bear in mind, your RAM and Disk are also beneficial to gaming performance, so if you're on a budget, keep that in mind.
 

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In this day and age I would steer most gamers away from a 4C/4T solution unless a strict budget dictated otherwise. The games I mentioned above being well threaded all will bottle-neck a 4C/4T solution. Just google i5 bottle-neck and BF1. You'll see tons of posts about their CPUs hitting 100% especially in large 64 player matches causing stuttering. I am not saying an i5 can't game well, I am saying it is past it's hay day as the go to budget CPU for gamers. What Devs didn't do in code, AMD delivered the kill shot with Ryzen. With Intel (rumored) moving up coffee lake with i7 6C/12T CPUs to this year and what they did with the x299 platform the core war is on. Dev's will only continue to up there core count usage as DX12 becomes the new standard.
 

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so what would be a good cpu that wouldn't bottleneck the 1080ti? oh and let me get this strait I want to be able to when I see a game and think it would be fun to play I would be able to play it on high settings to 4k AND I want to have a nice performance when I am browsing the internet watching youtube videos that is everything I want in my pc awesome gaming and great browsing experience
 

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On my radar I want to build a pc that gives me the best performance no not unlimited I would like about 2000 max max max max max
 

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If this was me I would go AMD. You plan on going to 4K gaming and want the most cores for the dollar then I would go with the AMD R7 1700 (if you plan to overclock) or the 1800X if you don't plan on OC or want absolute best OC (4.1ghz vz 3.9ghz on the 1700 approx, there is still a silicon lottery in effect). You could save some money and have a fairly future proof CPU that can stream your games/ watch youtube while you play them at the same time without your frame rate taking hit/stuttering, something a little harder on a 4C/8T CPU. Spend that extra money on a g-sync panel or m.2 drive like the samsung 960 evo. Heck you could even get an AMD R5 1600X with 6C/12T and still have a couple more cores/threads compared to the 7700K and save even more money in the process. Honestly the R5 1600X is the sweet spot in AMD's line up for gaming IMHO. Their 8C/16T parts just give you a little more future proofing and extra CPU horse power in multi-threaded apps. So whether you go with 8C/16T or 6C/12T, both solutions will excel at gaming while browsing/watching/streaming your gameplay video or just gaming alone. Again the i7 is the best gaming CPU right now but I think in the future the extra cores/threads AMD will offer you will be far more beneficial. Not to mention when your multi-tasking...ie playing a game while watching video (say a walkthrough)/game streaming or doing more then one task at the same time...the AMD CPU will be far better for your PC experience then the Intel equivalent. Things will be more responsive/faster then a 4C/8T part would be in those situations. AMD just seems like a smart choice. It costs less, performs better (exception is gaming as you know, and then it is a small difference) and gives you more as a platform then Intels 7700K does. Now if you strictly want the best frame rate today (may or may not be true in a years time or more), money doesn't matter, and you don't plan on doing anything while your gaming (no streaming, surfing web, music, etc) then the i7 7700K is probably better. I hope that helps.
 
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thanks for all your help atomicWAR you have been very helpful