Home NAS build, help PLEASE

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Hi guys,

I want to build a home NAS part by part and I'll like to ask for some advice.

First of all, the main use/purpose of the NAS:

-I'm a content creator, techie and a movie guy. I create content which to be honest with a 2-3 TB drive I'm well served as for now my content is about 700 GB.
As said before I'm a movie guy, I've got about 600 Blu-rays....and 80 UltraHD Blu-rays. The server function will be JUST as storage. I'm thinking on buying an external 8TB drive to so some backups. My main storage would be a backup of all my Blu-ray movies as well as UHD BD movies when there's software able to backup them. My movies are usually 2 streams, an 8-10 Mbps AVC MKV with losseless track and a HEVC 10 bit 4-5 Mbps stream (when HEVC 10 bit becomes mainstream I'll delete all my AVC Backups). Action-Blockbusters movies such as Transformers, Avatar, Star Wars and The Lord of the Rings are backed up as MKV Remux taking 30+ GB well because...It would be a crime not letting these movies at full quality.

No transcoding is needed from the server as I already do transcoding with my PC (i7 4790K and GTX 1070, that's how I create my encodes, CRF allways) although I would like the server to be able to handle a 100 GB UHD BD HEVC 10 bit 100 Mbps HDR BT.2020 file. I would also like the NAS to be strong enough to access two of these files at the same time. Files will be accessed from my PC, from my laptop and from my Oppo UDP-203.

My storage needs:

Not really got the money for a 600 Blu-ray collection backup, I already got 30TB worth of external drive backups (There's little left to backup from my collection) so my total content would be something around 25TB, I was thinking of starting with a 10TB Seagate Ironwolf which in my country is 360€ not that bad. As this leaves me with more upgradable space (8 bays = 80TB).

So this is the setup I was thinking:

-CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 52€
-Motherboard: Asrock B250M Pro4 85€
-PSU: Aerocool Extreme Silence 700W Modular Bronze 60€
-Case: SilverStone SST-CS380 145€ (It's got an 8 bay hot swappable)
-CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-L9I 35€
-RAM: That's where I'm stuck...ECC is expensive, how's the 1 GB for every TB rule for ZFS such as FreeNAS???

With out RAM and Hard drives the setup is about 380€ (aprox $350) I would like to stay on a 500€ budget just for the setup itself (not drives) (about 520-530$)
What do you recomend guys?

Is there something I'm missing or something I should be aware of?
 
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These Ironwolf drives are fantastic value atm, i'd push out for them.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor (€65.53 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME B250M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (€74.99 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: Patriot - Viper Elite 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (€109.25 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Seagate - IronWolf 10TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (€362.16 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Seagate - IronWolf 10TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (€362.16 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Case: Fractal Design - Node 804 MicroATX Mid...

USAFRet

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My current Qnap has 4 x 3TB drives (old things I had around)...in the process of obtaining 4 x 4TB Seagate IronWolf.
Or maybe 2 x 4TB IronWolf and 2 x 4TB WD Red...just to spread the possible fail potential.


The cool thing about the Qnaps is...if you eventually need more space, you can cause two or more of them to work together and share all that drive space.
 

Woxter

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Thank you all for your answers.

Indeed the first thing I thought was getting a pre-built NAS such as QNAP or Synology but do they really work well for my needs? I mean it's 500+€ for the 4 bays and that comes with a weaker CPU and 2 GB RAM, would that handle streaming a 100 Mbps UHD Blu-ray?? The reason I considered 500€ budget for the setup is because I get 8 bays and 8-16 GB RAM.
What type of files are you guys streamming? I know those QNAP and Synology will be enough for 1080p but 4K HEVC 10 bit is a different story.

Thanks again for your time!
 

USAFRet

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I don't currently have a 4k display, but that is one of the selling points of the one I have.
I did upgrade mine to 16GB RAM.

The CPU, for this use, is not really any less powerful than your chosen G4650.
I've been playing a movie out to the TV, music out to another system, and transferring 2TB of data into it...all at the same time..with nary a burp in any of those functions.
 

Woxter

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The G4560 is more powerful than a Celeron (CPU in those setups) and it's a 7th Generation meaning that it can Hardware decode 4K 10 bit HEVC streams.
Retailer is Amazon (I'm from Europe).
Well I know that some companies talk about 4K as a selling point, but 4K is not the same as UHD Blu-ray, I think they're refering to Netflix kind of 4K or WEB-DL stuff as all that is H.264 and nothing over 50 Mbps. I really like the ones you stated above, I'll just have to watch a couple of reviews and see if they cover my needs. My whole budget is about 1100€, I could make it to 1200€ but would really like it to stay on the 1100 mark.

What you're saying USAFRet is interesting, I'll give it a think and perhaps a week or two, as this is not a thing that I'm going to rush-think.
 
These Ironwolf drives are fantastic value atm, i'd push out for them.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor (€65.53 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME B250M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (€74.99 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: Patriot - Viper Elite 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (€109.25 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Seagate - IronWolf 10TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (€362.16 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Seagate - IronWolf 10TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (€362.16 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Case: Fractal Design - Node 804 MicroATX Mid Tower Case (€108.89 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Power Supply: XFX - ProSeries 450W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (€50.99 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Total: €1133.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-22 01:53 CEST+0200
 
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For your setup I would go ahead and do your own NAS box for the extra flexability.

Pentium G4560 is perfect CPU for this
You dont need near 700w, but you do need something way better than that aerocool pile of junk, this would be a parts-killer level of PSU.
Get a single 12v rail 450w from seasonic or corsair.
SSD for the OS
No need for an aftermarket cooler.
For case have you looked at fractial design's Define R5 (or R4)? It has 8 tooleless 3.5 bays, good cooling options, and noise reduction panels.
Since you are talking a lot of ram for ZFS, instead I would get windows and use either FlexRaid for a snapshot raid or stablebit if you dont need redundancy, only pooling.
Then you will only need 8gb of ram.
 


Wattage draw is low, but you need a few amps for the initial spinup if you end up having 8 hard drives in there.
There are several 350-400w units that can handle it fine, but by suggesting 450 it certainly covers the drives and any future needs OP may have.
 

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Thank you all, I don't really know what answer to pick as a solution since all of them have been very helpful.
I already have an SSD laying around it's a Samsung 240 GB 850 Evo. Are this PSUs fine?

http://xtremmedia.com/EVGA_450B_80Plus_Bronze.html#
https://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B019NWTCEA/ref=s9u_simh_gw_i1?ie=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B019NWTCEA&pd_rd_r=BXGNRQCYRREC97RVP0K0&pd_rd_w=x6yLh&pd_rd_wg=gQrPE&pf_rd_m=A1AT7YVPFBWXBL&pf_rd_s=&pf_rd_r=D52HW00HGE3YEX3XXJXC&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=2e02f8bc-7fb0-4741-b0d8-856c57b72c89&pf_rd_i=desktop
 

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Windows Server and Linux? Is that what you're talking about? It would really cut down my cost if I only have 8GB, I mean as far from OS + streaming + copying not even close to fill 8 GB DDR4 RAM...ZFS is a pain in the ass with the 1GB for every TB used. I looked the case, to be honest all the cases people have suggested are fine, but I really like something NASY Like you know haha. I mean, since I'm doing this, why not doing it cool? haha I think I'll go with the Node 804 or the Silverstone CS380.