R7 1700 vs i7 7700 - Not interested in overclocking.

Alexander_7 · Jun 24, 2017

My current setup just died.
I have a GTX 1060 GPU and a Seasonic S12II PSU still there, as for the rest of the gear still working, but i have to replace motherboard and CPU and i have come to the point of doubt...

Im not interested in overclocking since i've usually had bad experiences with it. And also i do not deal with rendering work or content creation/streaming. I just game, at 1080p in fact, and mostly i play FFXIV which as an MMORPG thus, heavily CPU dependant.

The 1700 and the 7700 are basically at the same price for me. I live in Chile south america, thus my options are limited and prices might not match US averages, but in a way, i have the money

MrN1ce9uy · Jun 24, 2017

i7-7700 would be my choice if I didn't overclock the r7 1700 and all I did was game.

TwilightRavens · Jun 24, 2017

Honestly either is fine, the 7700 has heat issues from what i hear but really either will get you by, the 7700 might net you a few more fps in cpu constrained games but other than that i'd go for the cheaper one (even if its by a few $'s)

-edit Are you 100% dead set on the R7 as the ryzen pick? If not you could get a few more fps from a hex core R5 that's higher clocked. Just my 2 cents (or dollars depending on if it helps)

geofelt · Jun 24, 2017

Both have plenty of threads.
ryzen 1700 clocks at 3.0 with 3.7 turbo.
IPC is not as good as intel, giving a single thread passmark rating of 1756.
single thread speed is most important for mmo, sims, and strategy games.

Since I7-7700 is the same price, I think it would be better.
7700 clocks at 3.6 with 4.2 turbo. Single thread rating is 2331.

Usually, the i7-7700K does not cost much more, and even at stock, that will be your strongest option.
7700K runs at 4.2 with a 4.5 turbo.
The single thread rating is 2585.

Alexander_7 · Jun 24, 2017

Heat issues? One of the reasons im not picking the X or K (tho i would have to go down for a i5 k in this case) is because i want to get by with the stock coolers, or i would have to buy a cooler for this one.

geofelt · Jun 24, 2017

Alexander_7 :

You probably want an aftermarket cooler regardless.
The 92mm fans of stock coolers are noisy under load and do not cool all that well.

You can buy most any tower type cooler with a 120mm fan and be good with any of them.
I use a noctua NH-U12s to cool my I5-7600K@4.9 with no issues.
A scythe kotetsu at $35 is equally good.
Here is a review:
http://www.silentpcreview.com/Scythe_Kotetsu

TwilightRavens · Jun 24, 2017

geofelt :

Even a CM Hyper 212 Evo will only set you back $25-$30 https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B005O65JXI/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1498319953&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=hyper+212+evo&dpPl=1&dpID=518BEXKEiiL&ref=plSrch

madmatt30 · Jun 24, 2017

Should be considering the ryzen 1600 IMO

At stock single core performance is better than the 1700 (3.7ghz tri core boost same as the 1600x)
& the wraith spire is far far better than any stock cooler that's come before it.
I'd argue in hot climates the 1700 can get a little toasty , the 7700 just runs plain hot.
The 1600 is easily easily manageable with the stock cooler.

TwilightRavens · Jun 24, 2017

madmatt30 :

I'd have to agree with you on all points, and i'd also like to note that its not just the 7700 that runs hot, all of Kaby Lake does unless you water cool.

-edit I'd also like to add, yeah In most benchmarks Kaby Lake will win in single core/thread performance but in real life its like 2-5 fps in games, your 1060 is more likely to be a limiting factor in fps than anything not that it is a bad gpu (it isn't).

Summary: Kaby Lake runs hot, has higher single threaded performance in most things, equates to a few fps in games, my vote is to a R5 1600 or 1600X (more cores doesn't mean more power, but you'll have more than in an i5 or i7 if you ever need them while still having pretty good single thread performance)

Alexander_7 · Jun 24, 2017

ryzen r5 1600: http://i.imgur.com/NZeDaFt.jpg
intel i7 7700: http://i.imgur.com/atjea6C.jpg

Use a chilean pesos to dollar converter in google to understand my pain. I cannot buy stuff to the outside world since my credit with USD will not cover these expenses.

madmatt30 · Jun 24, 2017

?? So its still a competitive $100 saving then.

Go with the ryzen 1600.

Alexander_7 · Jun 24, 2017

Im just afraid of performance, all i read is praises towards that fabled 4.0 ghz mark, and honestly even i know current games are at large more heavily dependant on single thread performance than multi-thread.

Maybe in the future if dx12 finally becomes a thing, which i dont see the games i play the most really getting into... I mean, im upgrading from an i5 4460 so everything is like amazing, but this is still hard.

End year im planning on upgrading my GPU and Monitor to move into 1440p...

mdd1963 · Jun 24, 2017

The 7700K is only typically $15-$20 more than the 7700.

(They are NOT the same, even if NOT overclocking, the 7700K runs at 4.2/4.5 GHz....the extra couple hundred MHz can't hurt...; think of it as a 7705, if you must)

goldstone77 · Jun 25, 2017

If it's just for gaming I would go with the 1600, which offers the best bang for the buck and use the extra money on a better video card which will matter more. Posted some videos just so you can see the differences. The 1600 with 6 cores gives you some extra CPU power to have other application running in the background without effecting gaming performance.

Start at 1:00 into the video for benchmarks.
Is a $160 CPU Enough for Gaming?
Tech YES City
Published on Jun 14, 2017
"Today we pit the AMD Ryzen 5 1400 against the Intel i7 7700k with the Radeon and Geforce Mid-Range Champions (The RX 580 & GTX 1060 Cards) to see how much of a difference there is and also whether the performance you could gain off a 7700k is worth it when compared to the Ryzen 5 1400. Everything in this comparison was overclocked to relatively normal levels for air and water overclocks."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R173IbAXKX8

Best CPU for Streaming? - RYZEN 1600x vs INTEL i5 - Streaming Shoot-Out
Blunty
Published on Apr 10, 2017
AMD Ryzen 5 is HERE! Today! I’m testing the Ryzen 1600x & Ryzen 1500x, With Gameplay, Overclocks, Streaming etc etc… This vid; is the AMD Ryzen 1600x good for Streaming? 1600x vs i5 for Twitch Streaming.
“Episode o” “Fake Builds” VS REAL Gaming PC’s PEOPLE USE! - My AMD Ryzen 5 vids are probably a Bit Different
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8bRqdFGCf0&feature=youtu.be

TwilightRavens · Jun 25, 2017

Snip

Alexander_7 :

GHz doesn't matter as much as it used to, its really all about the IPC of a processor -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instructions_per_cycle
In which both have more than enough juice for todays and tomorrows gaming needs, its really better to go with which of the 2 is cheaper.

goldstone77 · Jun 25, 2017

Alexander_7 :

CPU usage on quad cores are on their last legs when it comes to gaming. CPU bound means the program is bottlenecked by the CPU. In computer science, a computer is CPU-bound (or compute-bound) when the time for it to complete a task is determined principally by the speed of the central processor: processor utilization is high, perhaps at 100% usage for many seconds or minutes. Using main stream video card RX 480, 580, and 1060 will make your computer GPU bound, and the CPU won't effect FPS much. Once you move to resolutions higher than 1080p the higher end GPU's 1070, 1080, and 1080Ti become GPU bound and the CPU won't effect FPS much. Now having extra cores definately helps with applications running in the background while gaming. The trade off with Ryzen vs. Intel even the 7700K overclock to 5.0GHz is about a 10% increase in gaming FPS numbers at 1080p with a mainstream video card(not gaming experience) with a 50% increase in multi-threaded performance for Ryzen. Honestly, it's a easy choice to get the 1600. Also, the next generation of Ryzen CPU's will use the same AM4 socket, so you can upgrade the CPU later.

Edit: don't forget to watch the video's in my previous post.
Edit:
CPU
$294.49
AMD Ryzen 7 1700 Eight-Core Summit Ridge Processor 3.0GHz Socket AM4 w/ Fan and Heatsink, Retail
https://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=YD1700BOX&c=CJ

Motherboard
$79.99
$74.99 after $5.00 rebate
ASRock AB350M Pro4 AM4 AMD Promontory B350 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
2 M.2, Type-C, Triple Monitor, ELNA Audio, LED
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157762

Memory
$119.99
G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Intel Z170 Platform Desktop Memory Model F4-3200C16D-16GVGB
DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600)
Timing 16-18-18-38
CAS Latency 16
Voltage 1.35V
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232181

Total: $494.97 and a $5 rebate on the motherboard

valeman2012 · Jun 25, 2017

MrN1ce9uy :

He can go either one since he said hes NOT overclocking.

He can get the Intel i7 7700 (with H270 or B250 Motherbaords)

or

AMD Ryzen 7 1700 he can get (A320 Chipset Motherboard which super cheap) (Cheapest A320M motherboard is $51 USD (now used be $56)

madmatt30 · Jun 25, 2017

Ryzen 1700 is pointless for a gaming rig , the 1600 is where its at price to performance .

Alexander_7 · Jun 25, 2017

thank you all, i decided to go for the 1600 since that extra performance is not really worth going for the 1700 and intel... Well, too expensive for what it is and my needs.

Thank you all for your support.

madmatt30 · Jun 25, 2017

You have made the correct decision mate ;-)

TwilightRavens · Jun 25, 2017

goldstone77 :

Alexander_7 :

CPU usage on quad cores are on their last legs when it comes to gaming. CPU bound means the program is bottlenecked by the CPU. In computer science, a computer is CPU-bound (or compute-bound) when the time for it to complete a task is determined principally by the speed of the central processor: processor utilization is high, perhaps at 100% usage for many seconds or minutes. Using main stream video card RX 480, 580, and 1060 will make your computer GPU bound, and the CPU won't effect FPS much. Once you move to resolutions higher than 1080p the higher end GPU's 1070, 1080, and 1080Ti become GPU bound and the CPU won't effect FPS much. Now having extra cores definately helps with applications running in the background while gaming. The trade off with Ryzen vs. Intel even the 7700K overclock to 5.0GHz is about a 10% increase in gaming FPS numbers at 1080p with a mainstream video card(not gaming experience) with a 50% increase in multi-threaded performance for Ryzen. Honestly, it's a easy choice to get the 1600. Also, the next generation of Ryzen CPU's will use the same AM4 socket, so you can upgrade the CPU later.

Edit: don't forget to watch the video's in my previous post.
Edit:
CPU
$294.49
AMD Ryzen 7 1700 Eight-Core Summit Ridge Processor 3.0GHz Socket AM4 w/ Fan and Heatsink, Retail
https://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=YD1700BOX&c=CJ

Motherboard
$79.99
$74.99 after $5.00 rebate
ASRock AB350M Pro4 AM4 AMD Promontory B350 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
2 M.2, Type-C, Triple Monitor, ELNA Audio, LED
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157762

Memory
$119.99
G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Intel Z170 Platform Desktop Memory Model F4-3200C16D-16GVGB
DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600)
Timing 16-18-18-38
CAS Latency 16
Voltage 1.35V
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232181

Total: $494.97 and a $5 rebate on the motherboard

Most games are only just starting to use more than 2 cores, and the jump from 6 to 8 won't really be worth the price, plus when DX12 goes mainstream it will reduce overhead on cpus, and 1440p will be more gpu intense than cpu intense

jankerson · Jun 25, 2017

geofelt :

Alexander_7 :

You probably want an aftermarket cooler regardless.
The 92mm fans of stock coolers are noisy under load and do not cool all that well.

You can buy most any tower type cooler with a 120mm fan and be good with any of them.
I use a noctua NH-U12s to cool my I5-7600K@4.9 with no issues.
A scythe kotetsu at $35 is equally good.
Here is a review:
http://www.silentpcreview.com/Scythe_Kotetsu

Exactly, I have a I7 7700K running at 4.8 and using an NH-U12S also...

ZERO heat issues.

goldstone77 · Jun 25, 2017

TwilightRavens :

goldstone77 :

Most games are only just starting to use more than 2 cores, and the jump from 6 to 8 won't really be worth the price, plus when DX12 goes mainstream it will reduce overhead on cpus, and 1440p will be more gpu intense than cpu intense

Most CPU's only utilize 2 threads while gaming. My reply was for triple A title gaming. There are a multitude of forums showing the need for more threads increase since 2007 to 2013. Quad core CPU's are pegging out at 100% while gaming. Popular YouTube reviewers are showing the in-game stuttering in the 1% and .1% FPS on clean systems. Also, with just 4 cores don't have a lot of programs running in the background, or this can increase in-game lag. Playing online and the virus scan or an update starts running. These are less pronounced on high-end quad cores like 7700 that has hyperthreading. But i5 users have definitely been complaining. 6 cores is becoming more mainstream for consistent smooth game play. And the Ryzen 1600 at it's price point does this better than any other.

R7 1700 vs i7 7700 - Not interested in overclocking.

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