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Hi guys, I am currently trying to build a PC for the following task.
1. 3D Modeling
2. System Simulation
3. Video Editing
4. Light gaming
5. Programming

Based on my requirement, I have already make a build based on youtube recommendations as well as my own personal reasearch. The following are the parts of my build

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 1700
MOBO: MSI X370 SLI Plus
GPU: EVGA GTX 1050TI
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) 3200MHz
Storage: Samsung 850EVO 250GB SSD & Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" HDD
Casing: Cooler Master Master Case Pro 5
PSU: EVGA - SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply

Please note that, as for now I don't plan on overclocking my PC but I would like to build my PC around parts that have space for upgrades in the future.

Another thing i would like to mention is that, as of the total cost of this build has exceeded my budget, I would like to get some of the experts here on what parts I can change to cut cost based on my requirement and if that is not possible, are the parts that I have choosen compatible with each other?

Your help is much appreciated.
 
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If you want SLI in the future, you need a minimum of a GeForce GTX 1070. Due to the restricted space for air movement. You should buy a blower style card for SLI. In an open air environment, dual or triple fan is better. When the cards are mashed up against one another. A blower is better. The build includes that type.

For SLI you will want an 850W PSU. It will make sure you have plenty of headroom.

This is the reality of a system ready for SLI expansion without having to replace the video card and power supply.

PCPartPicker part list...
If you don't plan on SLI (which the GTX 1050 TI does not support). Get an MSI B350 Tomahawk. There won't be any performance difference. It has plenty of upgrade options. If you ever change your mind about overclocking. It will support it.

16GB RAM is a bit light for your tasks. You'll likely end up upgrading in the near future. It will work but will bog down if you are working with 4K video or doing a lot of 1920x1080 work. Puget Systems recommends 32GB for 1080p and 64GB for 4K.

Although not part of the budget. The Western Digital WD Black NVMe SSD is almost the same price as the Samsung 850 Evo. It is much faster. The 850 Evo is limited by SATA speeds and AHCI. It simply can't compete with NVMe. The only reason to get one now if they don't lower the price is for a computer which does not support NVMe.

 

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The NEX isn't a very good power supply and usually overpriced. Normally, for the same price you can find much better quality and performing units: for example the EVGA G2, EVGA G3, Corsair RMx, or Bitfenix Whisper M.
 

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Thanks for the quick reply, as per mentioned i did not know that the GTX 1050TI does not support SLI as the only reason i chose this motherboard is due to its extra USB 3.0 ports and its SLI capabilities. My previos motherboard selection is the MSI B350 PC Mate which is very similar to the B350 Tomahawk.

With reference to that, currently the only videos that i am rendering are only at 1080P and i don't see myself doing any 4K shooting unless I get a major upgrade in my camera so I do think that 16 or 32 GB of RAM will be sufficient for the moment but I would like to ask for Ram brands recommendations. Are there any other reasonable RAM brands that are decent and does not have a high price? Also am I required to get the 3200MHz RAM, I've read some reviews and it seems that the current Ryzen chip only allows speed to go up to 2666MHz only as of now. so does that mean I can save money buy buying a different RAM?
 

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So based on your suggestions which PSU would you recommend? The EVGA G2 or G3? Note that I can't overspend and as I am currently stationed at Australia, shipping from Amazon or any other non Australian based companies are very expensive
 

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Don't choose by ram brand. All they do is put there name on it, give it a heatsink with aesthetics, give it a warranty and sell it. Nearly all ram on the market is created by three main manufacturers, and between them is very similar performance. Choose ram based on aesthetics, specifactions (mainly capacity, dimm count, frequency, and cas latency), and pricing.
 

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On the side of that, I do have another question. I know this may sound stupid but all case fase coolers are compatible with all case brands right? As in i dont need to buy Coolermaster fan coolers for my cooler master case but i can buy say for example, Corsair Thermaltake as long as the size are the same right?
 

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Ok thanks for that tip. So based on your opinion which RAM model offers the best deals in terms of specs and pricing? This is because if i were to change my build from a 16GB to a 32GB, I dont want to spend 400 dollars just on RAM and pay for just the extra premium for branding. Could you also recommend me a decend GPU that supports SLI in the future and doesn't cost a lot based on my working requirements?

Thanks
 

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For Australian retailers I suggest the Cooler Master VS; https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/hVJwrH/cooler-master-power-supply-rs550amaag1au

Brands do not have to match between case fans and cases. As long as the case supports the fans size.

Great value 16GB of ram at the moment for $159 AUD: https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/ynL7YJ/geil-memory-glr416gb3000c15adc

I suggest this RX 470 which is compatible for crossfire: http://www.umart.com.au/umart1/pro/Products-details.phtml?id=10&bid=4&sid=287566&id2=1
 

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Is 550W suffucicient if I plan to do SLI or crossfire in the future?

I personally prefer NVIDIA just based on my previous experience with them. Which GPU would you recommend for NVIDIA?
 


If you want SLI in the future, you need a minimum of a GeForce GTX 1070. Due to the restricted space for air movement. You should buy a blower style card for SLI. In an open air environment, dual or triple fan is better. When the cards are mashed up against one another. A blower is better. The build includes that type.

For SLI you will want an 850W PSU. It will make sure you have plenty of headroom.

This is the reality of a system ready for SLI expansion without having to replace the video card and power supply.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($428.00 @ Shopping Express)
Motherboard: MSI - X370 SLI PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard ($217.80 @ Skycomp Technology)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($369.00 @ Umart)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($138.00 @ Shopping Express)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($94.00 @ Shopping Express)
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card ($599.00 @ PLE Computers)
Case: NZXT - S340 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case ($105.00 @ Scorptec)
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($189.00 @ IJK)
Total: $2139.80
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-26 05:48 AEST+1000

This is assuming you are building a computer and you are going to be doing professional video editing and animation. If you are just fiddling around and hope to one day have SLI. Don't waste the money and get SLI out of your head. A single more powerful GPU gets you more for your money than two weaker GPU. You only need 32GB RAM if you have a professional workflow. Not if you may be working with a 20 minute iPhone video.

Build this instead.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($428.00 @ Shopping Express)
Motherboard: MSI - B350 PC MATE ATX AM4 Motherboard ($138.00 @ Umart)
Memory: Kingston - FURY 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($175.00 @ Umart)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($138.00 @ Shopping Express)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($94.00 @ Shopping Express)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB Video Card ($215.00 @ Shopping Express)
Case: NZXT - S340 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case ($105.00 @ Scorptec)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($129.00 @ Scorptec)
Total: $1422.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-26 05:41 AEST+1000
 
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Thank you so much for your detail explanation and suggestion.

As you said, currently I dont see myself doing SLI any time in the future and thus choosing an X series motherboard is totally out of the quesiton for me and I will probably spend a little more on a single graphics card than a motherboard that support SLI.

However, I do notice one small diffence between the 2 builds that you suggested. The RAM speeds for both the builds are different. Will there be a significant difference to using a 3000MHz Ram compared to a 2144MHz Ram ?
 


2666Mhz RAM

The Ryzen is more affected by RAM speed than Intel. I forget the explanation why. Based on benchmarks I have seen. You may get a 4 to 5 FPS difference in some games. If you where playing at 1080p with a GeForce GTX 1080. If you are using something like a GTX 1060 or lower. I doubt you will see any difference.
 

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So based on what you are saying is that because the GPU i am using currently isn't the top of the line, there isn't really a need for me to buy a 3000MHz Ram as there might not be very big significant. Also if your estimaton are correct, 4 to 5 FPS isn't that noticible as well.

With regard to that,what would be your recommended Ram speed for my build?
 
For a Ryzen build you aren't overclocking. I wouldn't bother above 2400mhz. As you have to OC the RAM. For higher speeds to function. At least with the MSI B350. Some boards may accept 2667mhz default.

The GTX 1060 or lower will likely be a limiting factor at 1920x1080 before the RAM is.