Ryzen 7 Build for Gaming - Is it Worth?

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So I came across the thread that the Ryzen 7 can outpower Intel in the streaming department, and while it's not as great in it's single core department, I feel like this build is worth it-

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nMV2D8

However, is there is an alternative?
I'm working with a 2k budget, only slightly flexible. I would only consider using intel (or a different Ryzen) if I could be provided with a similar strength of the Ryzen 1700 overclock build I'm looking for, if the build could somehow incorporate a GTX 1080ti, which as I've heard is a complete waste on 1080p monitors (1440p 144hz one's cost so much money though - this made it hard for me to make a build).

I'll also add that I plan on primarily using top games (I think they're called AAA?) to stream, using Virtual Reality, and recording/video editing, also hopefully surpassing the 1.39 overclock rate.

Maybe I'd like to watch some Netflix while playing Elite: Dangerous too.
And mod the <ModEdit> out of Skyrim lol. I want ALLLL those beautiful grass mods that blew up my poor laptop.

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Thank you for any help!
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I cannot recommend any Intel built at the moments. Ryzen is simply better.

Memory issues and OC are getting dealt with at every AGESA update.
Performances in games are basically the same at 1080p with a low range AMD GPU RX 480/580
Performances in games are identical at 1440p and 2160p
Multi-core performances are trashing anything from Intel for twice less

https://www.cowcotland.com/images/news/2017/05/communication-amd-ryzen-1.jpg

 
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The additional cores will always benefit streaming - and the IPC/single core performance reduction in gaming can be near mitigated with a decent overclock.

I'd suggest the R5 1600X though - 6 core/12 thread and a higher base clock. That would likely give you the best 'balance' overall IMO.

Unless you intend to SLI, the X370 chipset is likely overill. B350 will still allow you to overclock.

What about:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor ($228.18 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Dark Rock 3 67.8 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler ($64.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI - B350 PC MATE ATX AM4 Motherboard ($83.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($144.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Crucial - MX300 525GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($150.91 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB AORUS Video Card ($724.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox 5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($89.89 @ OutletPC)
Case Fan: LEPA - LP-BOL12P-R 81.5 CFM 120mm Fan ($17.34 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: Thermaltake - Riing 12 LED Red 40.6 CFM 120mm Fan ($15.48 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: AOC - AG271QX 27.0" 2560x1440 144Hz Monitor ($399.99 @ Best Buy)
Keyboard: Cougar - 200K Wired Gaming Keyboard ($33.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $2084.48
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-27 12:00 EDT-0400
 
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I concur with the B350 recommendation. The x370 is nothing but RGB and OC tools that barely do anything due to that OC wall. Also, they OC better from what I heard.

MSI B350 Tomahawk is getting good praise with their latest BIOS update. Going multiple GPU on both socket is the same 8X8X anyway. Just be sure to check SLI or CF compatibility if you are interested since not all boards offering the two together.

However, I would spend the extra on the 1700. It is still worth it IMO to get the extra 2 cores.

Last thing, get a 3200MHz memory kit. The Gskill Tridentz seems to be the best kit for Ryzen, however check your mobo compatibility before buying anything. Corsair is having a hard time hitting that 3200MHz OC. The memory OC on Ryzen, I don't know why, really matter.
 
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($294.49 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 3 67.8 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler ($83.78 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - X370 Taichi ATX AM4 Motherboard ($191.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($179.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Crucial - MX300 525GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($150.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB FTW2 Gaming iCX Video Card ($589.89 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox 5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($89.99 @ Adorama)
Case Fan: Fractal Design - HF14-BK 118.2 CFM 140mm Fan ($16.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Monitor: AOC - G2460PF 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor ($204.33 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Redragon - K552 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($33.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1976.19
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-27 12:09 EDT-0400

So didn't change as much as I originally thought I would.
CPU, Cooler, Mobo are all correct for wanting high OCs.
Ram I changed to one that will have better compatibility, and is a smidge "faster".
The M.2 version of the SSD is cheaper and easier to install, doesn't need any cables, just plug it into the mobo slot for it and screw it down once so it doesn't slide out.
You were overspending on the GPU a lot, This one is just as good, and if you wanted the red/black theme (which well, kinda doesn't match your mobo) you can change the RGB Leds on the GPu easily to match whatever you want.
Change the PSU for a better one more fit for the system (multi GPU is dead, no single GPU system needs more than 550ws)
Your case only has space for 1 extra 140mm fan, so I just got you the best one there was, and it'll be in the front of the case so you won't see it.
Changed the keyboard for a similarly priced mechanical one, which is also red/black themed, and you'll notice the better feel of using mechanical keys. (it enables faster key presses/typing)
 
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I love my Dark Rock Pro 3, however it is too expensive and the OC wall doesn't make it worth it. A simple Pure Rock would do for any OC to 3800MHz.

He should get a 1080 TI... if he can afford it, he should just get it.

Once again a crappy computer case. Never cheap out on a case. get one, get one for a long time. Get a Phantek or a Fractal Design.

EVGA power supplies are cheap. One blew up my EVGA FTW 1080 GTX. Fractal and Seasonic are good alternative... Corsair, you are paying for the brand. At least 750 Watt. I would not recommend any OC with a 550 Watt, a Ryzen 7 and a TI. Gold/ Platinum is the best you can get, however a bronze or silver is fine if the quality is there.

Monitor... you are not buying a high end GPU and CPU to play at 1080p. 1440p or 2160p is the only way to go... especially with a TI. These 144Hz 1080p monitor are a joke.

Also, like stated before, a x370 motherboard is throwing money through the window.
 
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@redgarl, I don't know where to start....

1. The MasterBox 5 is not a "cheap" case in quality, it's pretty solid for it's pricepoint. Might be 'cheaper' in price, but fundamentality, as case is a case. Of course it's not going to rival $150+ cases overall, but it's not like it's a $20 Raidmax with sharp edges etc.

2. EVGA PSUs are not 'cheap' as a general rule. Like most brands they have some 'ok' units and some 'great' units. Things like the 500W etc are not great, nor are the NEX lineup. The SuperNOVA B/G/T/P 2/3 are some of the best PSUs availabile. Outside of Fractals' Edison M, they don't have very good PSUs. SeaSonic are one of the best, and Corsair, like EVGA have great/good/ok/bad units in their lineup.

3. 144HZ 1080p monitors being a "joke" is definitely subjective. Given the amount of users rocking them, they must hae something going for them.
 
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1. Cooler Master case are cheap at best for their price. A Phantek Eclipse at 90$ is having way more to offer. That extra 30$ is worth way more than it's value. You cannot honestly compare a Phantek or a Fractal product to a cooler master. I owned the 3 and i can tell you by experience.

2. My Supernova exploded in my face with my EVGA 1080 FTW like 6 months ago. You are crazy if you think I will ever trust EVGA product again. This is not a simple matter, it is a huge concerns. My Fractal Newton 1kw platinum prevented my card to blow up first, but the Supernova power protection didn't do anything and resulted in a 1000$ and 1 month RMA. As an electrical engineer, I can tell you that QA and QC was lacking drastically. Not to mention all the issues with the EVGA FTW cooler and heat killing the video memory slowly over time. Go ahead, trust them, I am done with them and they are on the black list.

3. You don't buy a Ryzen 7 build and a 1080 - 1080 TI card to play at 1080p. If you are doing this, you are better buying a 7700k from Intel. This is the only situation where a Ryzen build doesn't make sense. At 1080p, a RX 580 is the only choice with a Ryzen 7 and get you about the same performance as a 1070 GTX. At higher resolution, all this is gone because of GPU bound. AMD is working better with AMD at 1080p and not just a little. Check Anandtech benches, I was really surprised by them.

I know my stuff especially when it comes to optimization.
 
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You're comparing a $60 case that will support the huge air cooler he has with a $90 case, not really fair. And CM does make pretty decent cases, he could do a lot worse.
You must have bought a SN Nex or something, or did something to damage it, like
The EVGA cooling problem has been known about and resolved for a long time now, maybe you just never checked to see if it had the thermal pads added to it, and if they weren't you could have contacted EVGA to get them added.

You also failed to read that the OP wanted to stream, and the extra cores on the ryzen will help with that greatly because games won't be usingthem.
 
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@redgarl Lol EVGA PSU's are "cheap" especially a G3? Come on man. You simply cannot know your stuff to claim EVGA is bad. If I remetmber correctly their top tier(1) the G3 at least.
 
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I'm not arguing with your @regarl, you're entitled to your opinion and I can respect that.

I do however disagree with most of the points.
1. I never said they're the best cases in the world, but they are solid enough. If the OP likes the MasterBox5, then so be it. It has decent airflow, it's decent enough quality and, most importantly - fits their components. I have a Define R4, and I wouldn't wholeheartedly recommend Fractal on that basis alone. There are alternatives at any pricepoint.

2. Out of curiosity, which SuperNOVA specifcially? If it were an NEX Bronze, then it is poorer quality than a Fractal Newton, with the NEX-Gold being roughly comparable. The G2/G3/P2/T2 etc though, are all better quality overall than that Fractal Newton. QA and QC may well have been problematic on that one unit in question, but that's not a reflection of the quality of the components used and general build quality overall.
Whether you would opt for an EVGA product in future doesn't hold too much relevance to the OP though. Sure, share your experience, that's fine. But to categorically quantify all EVGA PSUs as "cheap" as a result is a little drastic and unwarranted.

3. For strictly gaming at 1080, realistically, an i5 would likely give you the same result ..... with a 7700K giving you the overall 'best' performance in gaming with their IPC. The OP in this case also has a streaming consideration, where the added cores/threads will benefit more that an IPC boost.

 
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Well... I digress- I've already bought the case and power supply haha!
But that's good to know- I will make sure to keep a VERY sharp eye out for the little bastard.

I've taken all of yalls suggestions, and I've come up with this-

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6DJBRG

Red, since you said yourself, that you know optimization, would you consider this as an alternative?
 
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For strictly streaming, yes. An additional 2 cores / 4 threads.

For gaming, no......at least it's not that simple. Gaming itself still sees gains from clock speed, so the 1600X @ 3.6 GHz should outperfom the 1700 @ 3GHz.
Overclocking both chips, and YMMV as far as which comes out ahead in gaming...... I'd still expect the 1600X with it's higher starting clock.

For a combination Gaming/Streaming, an overclocked 1700 should win hands down. The 1600X would still be a respectable contender though.
 
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1080p 144htz ? Vastly overspending .

Cannot recommend a 1080 or 1080ti at current prices , now the amd cards are OOS the etherium miners are buying up these & they are currently 30% overpriced.

Vice versa ryzen 1700 - offers nothing over the 1600 for 99.999% of users - you're losing 25% of the cores but saving 50% of the money with a 1600.
An aftermarket cooler is not necessary.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($199.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock - X370 KILLER SLI/ac ATX AM4 Motherboard ($138.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($144.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Crucial - MX300 525GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($150.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Toshiba - 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($76.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB FTW DT GAMING ACX 3.0 Video Card ($482.78 @ PCM)
Case: Phanteks - ECLIPSE P400 TEMPERED GLASS ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 650W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($89.89 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: AOC - G2460PF 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor ($204.33 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Cooler Master - Devastator II Wired Gaming Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($26.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1655.59
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-27 13:48 EDT-0400
 
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Matt, the 1070s are actually the victims of Etherium mining, not the 1080s and 1080tis.
Also, OP wants to stream, so the 1700 will help more for that.
 
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^james - Theyve started on the 1080's & ti's believe me.
Watch the prices rocket very very soon!!
The 1700 is better for streaming BUT the 1600 is still absolutely capable.

Ive been pushing people to the 1600 mainly because of the cost effectiveness & the ease of overclocking on the stock spire cooler.

Travis - If youre looking at 1440p now & want a 1080 I would urge you to buy very very soon while prices are still half reasonable,in a week or so they wont be.

 
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Yo Matt- I just now discover the AMD Vega Nova.
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I'm gonna totally wait and see lol.

Plus, if the cheapest series in the new THREADRIPPER is under 500, mmmmmMMMMM- counsider me taking another month to plan a build haha!

Thanks for all the answers, even after the answer had been chosen!
 
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