- Jul 1, 2017
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I have had a problem for over 3 years with this rig. I can't figure it out. I need help of someone with even more knowledge than myself. Many have tried, nobody seems to be able to lead me in the right direction.
My Rig;
MSI 990FXA-GD65 Mobo
16GB Dual Channel (8x2Gb) RAM (CMY32GX3M4A2133C11) (this is where I am still thinking the problem lies, so I will omit more info on this for now)
AMD FX-8350 Stock clock 4.0
EVGA GTX 1080 SC
1xSSD for OS + startup programs
W10 Pro (previously W7 pro in the past, and had the problem on that OS too)
Corsair CX750M PSU
3 other drives for things like home network, media, and business of different variations, although I've ruled them out entirely.
The problem;
I get into games (I'm big on wow and counter strike global offensive). I get to a point where sometimes almost immediately, sometimes after 5 minutes, and sometimes after 4 hours, the games start stuttering. If I do not restart the computer, the stuttering becomes SIGNIFICANTLY worse over a VERY SHORT period of time, so much to the point where I can't move for 10 seconds freely without freezing for an additional 20-60 seconds at a time. (Stutter to be described as complete game freezing, with the audio going into an infinite loop until the system picks back up again) I have had this problem for YEARS!
The problem is not only video game related, but merely occurs faster when I am in them. The problem also occurs when im only simply in windows, but more frequently when browsers are open. Often times if google chrome is open, google chrome will say at the bottom left (waiting for cache). Whenever it says that, the computer is in the middle of freezing. Reliability report shows no problems other than it seeming to point the finger at whatever program was active at the time of the lockup. For instance, reliability report shows that Wow.exe "stopped working" as the summary when the freeze occurs, but if the freeze occurs when I'm in microsoft edge, it points the problem at edge. The programs have no alterations or changes. It occurs even on a brand new fresh install, with no programs other than appropriate drivers
What I have tried;
I have done a clean install of both w7 and w10. Problem remains the same
I have replaced the PSU. Problem persists.
I HAD a 32Gb 4stick setup, but dropped it to 16 with only 2 sticks to remove some load from the IMC. No change.
I have upped the ram voltage to the maximum safe zone to try to increase stability (1.65). Problem Persists.
I have tried using only 1 stick of ram at a time, resulting in the same thing for 6 different sticks, including sticks that are known to be running properly in my wifes computer with her A10CPU setup.
I used to have 2xGTX460's in SLI. The problem existed with those video cards when I only had 1 and 2 cards running.
I have tried changing the PCIE slot the GPU's reside in. Problem persists.
I have tried using only 1 stick at a time, including a stick of ram that is known good from my wife's computer, that is NOT the same brand or setup that she runs with her A10 processor and still had the problem.
I have turned off all the power saving options within the bios
I have turned off AMD Turbo Core technology to prevent the multiplier from throttling.
I have tried putting a little more voltage to the Vcore to increase stability.
I have tried all current, beta, and rolled back versions of drivers.
I have updated my bios to the latest verison per MSI's website. The problem existed even with older versions of the bios.
I have tried changing power profiles to support maximum performance across the board, and even at one point thought I had the problem pin-pointed to cores parking at inappropriate times and causing load to be redistributed improperly. To combat this, I used a software called ParkControl, but it didn't seem to bode any stability changes, but a slight performance increase when the machine actually wasn't freezing.
I have tried rolling the multiplier to result in a clock speed of 3.6 instead of 4.0. This seemed to make a very slight change, but the end game was the same.
I have ACTIVELY and AGGRESSIVELY monitored the temps of my CPU, GPU, and MOBO, all of which stay in a completely acceptable range both at idle and under load (under 50C)
What is seeming to help me right now;
I have been recently playing with the RAM timings, since this RAM has an XMP profile of 11-11-11-27, but I barely know enough about RAM timings to feel super comfortable messing with the numbers much, outside of what the system automatically configures it to. What I have noticed, is that when I am set to either 1333, 1600, 1866, or 2133, and I run prime95 the hardware never fails, but I still have the stuttering issue in windows and in games.
On a hunch, I backed the ram off to an amazingly slow 1066, and the system automatically clocked it one time to 6-6-6-15. I played games with 6-6-6-15 for almost a whole day, and amazingly, the stuttering problem was almost completely gone. It occured one time, and didn't reoccur again afterwards, but amazingly, if I run prime95 on these settings (6-6-6-15 with 1066Mhz), I almost immediately get hardware failures, workers shut down, or BSOD. This is what leads me to believe my motherboard is clocking this ram in a way that isn't proper
As another note, the ram also runs completely fine in my wifes computer, and has passed memtest86+ dozens of times.
Is there any RAM or just super gurus in general out there who might be able to explain to me what might be going on, and what I can safely try in order to finally lay this problem to rest? I'm no stranger to tech work, but this one has me ENTIRELY stumped, and has for years. If you need ANY additional information from me, I will post it up.
My Rig;
MSI 990FXA-GD65 Mobo
16GB Dual Channel (8x2Gb) RAM (CMY32GX3M4A2133C11) (this is where I am still thinking the problem lies, so I will omit more info on this for now)
AMD FX-8350 Stock clock 4.0
EVGA GTX 1080 SC
1xSSD for OS + startup programs
W10 Pro (previously W7 pro in the past, and had the problem on that OS too)
Corsair CX750M PSU
3 other drives for things like home network, media, and business of different variations, although I've ruled them out entirely.
The problem;
I get into games (I'm big on wow and counter strike global offensive). I get to a point where sometimes almost immediately, sometimes after 5 minutes, and sometimes after 4 hours, the games start stuttering. If I do not restart the computer, the stuttering becomes SIGNIFICANTLY worse over a VERY SHORT period of time, so much to the point where I can't move for 10 seconds freely without freezing for an additional 20-60 seconds at a time. (Stutter to be described as complete game freezing, with the audio going into an infinite loop until the system picks back up again) I have had this problem for YEARS!
The problem is not only video game related, but merely occurs faster when I am in them. The problem also occurs when im only simply in windows, but more frequently when browsers are open. Often times if google chrome is open, google chrome will say at the bottom left (waiting for cache). Whenever it says that, the computer is in the middle of freezing. Reliability report shows no problems other than it seeming to point the finger at whatever program was active at the time of the lockup. For instance, reliability report shows that Wow.exe "stopped working" as the summary when the freeze occurs, but if the freeze occurs when I'm in microsoft edge, it points the problem at edge. The programs have no alterations or changes. It occurs even on a brand new fresh install, with no programs other than appropriate drivers
What I have tried;
I have done a clean install of both w7 and w10. Problem remains the same
I have replaced the PSU. Problem persists.
I HAD a 32Gb 4stick setup, but dropped it to 16 with only 2 sticks to remove some load from the IMC. No change.
I have upped the ram voltage to the maximum safe zone to try to increase stability (1.65). Problem Persists.
I have tried using only 1 stick of ram at a time, resulting in the same thing for 6 different sticks, including sticks that are known to be running properly in my wifes computer with her A10CPU setup.
I used to have 2xGTX460's in SLI. The problem existed with those video cards when I only had 1 and 2 cards running.
I have tried changing the PCIE slot the GPU's reside in. Problem persists.
I have tried using only 1 stick at a time, including a stick of ram that is known good from my wife's computer, that is NOT the same brand or setup that she runs with her A10 processor and still had the problem.
I have turned off all the power saving options within the bios
I have turned off AMD Turbo Core technology to prevent the multiplier from throttling.
I have tried putting a little more voltage to the Vcore to increase stability.
I have tried all current, beta, and rolled back versions of drivers.
I have updated my bios to the latest verison per MSI's website. The problem existed even with older versions of the bios.
I have tried changing power profiles to support maximum performance across the board, and even at one point thought I had the problem pin-pointed to cores parking at inappropriate times and causing load to be redistributed improperly. To combat this, I used a software called ParkControl, but it didn't seem to bode any stability changes, but a slight performance increase when the machine actually wasn't freezing.
I have tried rolling the multiplier to result in a clock speed of 3.6 instead of 4.0. This seemed to make a very slight change, but the end game was the same.
I have ACTIVELY and AGGRESSIVELY monitored the temps of my CPU, GPU, and MOBO, all of which stay in a completely acceptable range both at idle and under load (under 50C)
What is seeming to help me right now;
I have been recently playing with the RAM timings, since this RAM has an XMP profile of 11-11-11-27, but I barely know enough about RAM timings to feel super comfortable messing with the numbers much, outside of what the system automatically configures it to. What I have noticed, is that when I am set to either 1333, 1600, 1866, or 2133, and I run prime95 the hardware never fails, but I still have the stuttering issue in windows and in games.
On a hunch, I backed the ram off to an amazingly slow 1066, and the system automatically clocked it one time to 6-6-6-15. I played games with 6-6-6-15 for almost a whole day, and amazingly, the stuttering problem was almost completely gone. It occured one time, and didn't reoccur again afterwards, but amazingly, if I run prime95 on these settings (6-6-6-15 with 1066Mhz), I almost immediately get hardware failures, workers shut down, or BSOD. This is what leads me to believe my motherboard is clocking this ram in a way that isn't proper
As another note, the ram also runs completely fine in my wifes computer, and has passed memtest86+ dozens of times.
Is there any RAM or just super gurus in general out there who might be able to explain to me what might be going on, and what I can safely try in order to finally lay this problem to rest? I'm no stranger to tech work, but this one has me ENTIRELY stumped, and has for years. If you need ANY additional information from me, I will post it up.
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