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Hello,
I'm a total noob at network settings.
I just got a synology DS216+II NAS, I connect it to the Billion AX8900 2400 Router with a lan cable.
I want to move the nas box near my pc where I have a UPS unit, but my router is far away and can't be moved. so I will have to connect the NAS to my PC lan port, and the pc connects to the router via wifi dongle.

I tried to follow the synology instructions on setting the router automatically with UPNP, but it didn't worked. I got a problem with the upnp or nat settings.
in my Billion router UPNP is enabled. there is only enable or disable option and it is set to enable.
however the synology auto configuration cannot connect to the router.
As i'm a total noob at network settings I will really appreciate your help in setting it up to work as it should over static IP (someone suggest it is the way to connect the nas to the pc).
I will appriciate if you can tell me what to do like you tell a 4 years old child.

THANKS!


 
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This BIG folder on your NAS, is it movie or other large files, or a bunch of small files (like pictures and documents)?

Large files transfer at the read speed of the drive which should be between 60-120 MBps (that is megaBYTES not megabits, 1 megabyte = 8 megabits so 120mBps is a full 1gbps). Small files on the other hand take significantly longer from a magnetic since it is not reading sequential data. Thus 10mBps could be completely correct.

Other issues could be that the port is not auto negotiating correctly and is thus only running at 100mbps speed. You can go into adapter properties to see what speed the port is running at.
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you have connected the NAS to your computer.
That could work fine but only as far as your computer goes, by defaut NAS wont see the router.

You would need to bridge the wifi and LAN ports on your computer for traffic to go through. This can bring up all kinds of problems.


Alternately you could buy a cheap 4 or 5 port switch, put it next to your computer and plug computer and NAS on that and everything will work as before.

Edit: seeing as your computer normally doesn't have LAN connection to router, this wont really help as such, leaving the bridging option as only one.

Edit2: somewhat simple explanation of bridging network adapters
http://www.thewindowsclub.com/create-a-network-bridge-windows
 
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I have a something like this:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00I6EY1JI/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
it is an older model and it is 100 mb lan, it could bottleneck the nas performance.
but it has 2 lan outputs for the pc and for the nas.
will it be better to use it instead of the bridge connection?

can I just connect the nas with usb 3 for fast backup or it needs the lan connection? I can put a wifi dongle on the nas too, i have a spare one.

 
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Is there any way to contact Synology? do they have chat support? or they can call you for free? I live outside the usa and I have imported it with amazon. it is too difficult to me to handle all of this.
 
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So you cant get the NAS to work at all even when connected direct to the router, or only cant get the nas to work when daisy chained through the PC.

Assuming you cant run an ethernet cable in attic/crawlspace from router to your room with desktop the next best thing you could do is get a newer powerline adapter like an av1000 or faster, and a gigabit ethernet switch. Then connect the powerline adapter to uplink port on switch, and PC and NAS to the switch.
 
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said router has one gigabit port, rest are 100.

so in that effect, it isn't really any different speed wise than your powerline adapter, also it doesn't really seem to support bridging or accesspoint setup, making it's addition to your network troublesome due to dual NAT situation it would cause.

Thus.. it doesn't really help.
As far as I understand, the NAS is currently situated next to your router, which is not next to your computer
so the network would look somewhat like this:
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The above situation is before the NAS move, but since you want NAS to be behind the UPS, you want to move it.

The below situation would be after the move, but since powerline adapter is limited to only 100Mbit/s speed, it will slow NAS usage a LOT which is likely against the idea.

solutions for the problem could be:
get another UPS at router
or
get normal network cable from router to computer
get 5 port gigabit switch, plug computer and NAS on it
or
get gigabit capable powerline adapter. (I've seen a lot of people here having problems with powerline adapters so I would consider this only last choice out of the three)
 
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Ok so I ask my ISP company to move the telephone port near my computer, so now I can move my router near my computer.
I moved the router and the NAS near my computer, all protected by the UPS.
I plugged my pc to the LAN 1 (1-4) slot in my router.
I connected my NAS to the gigabyte eWAN port (the cable is not far enough to reach the lan 1-4 ports)
so they both now connected to the BILLION 8900 2400AX router.
all lan ports and eWAN port are gigabyte connections. its 300$ vdsl2 modem+router.

I'm transferring a big folder from my NAS to my PC via windows explorer and it is transferring at 10MB/s
the NAS is capable of 110MB/s speeds over the Ethernet so I don't understand why this is so slow.

can it be I didn't open some ports on my Router?

I tried to do the auto router configuration in diskstaion but it fail, it can't open the needed ports automatically although my router UPNP option is enabled!
I also want to give my computer and NAS a static IP but I don't have a clue how to do it.

 
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No, if connection works, necessary ports are open.

Following is a list of what I think could be the problem:
You might have a problem with router's port speeds, for some reason, it might have chosen 100Mbit speed instead of gigabit. (usually network link light indicates this with green/yellow, Yellow often meaning gigabit and green 100Mbit. Documentation should be read for that to be certain though.
(right click network icon on taskbar, network and sharing center, and click on ethernet connection link, this will open a status window for your LAN connection which will tell the basic things like link speed/duration of connection and data transferred. You are mostly interested in the link speed at this point.

It is also possible that your computer is the slow part, normal hard disks are not capable of that 110MB/s speed, you could test it with something like http://crystalmark.info/software/CrystalDiskMark/index-e.html to see what the computer/disk is capable of.
 
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This BIG folder on your NAS, is it movie or other large files, or a bunch of small files (like pictures and documents)?

Large files transfer at the read speed of the drive which should be between 60-120 MBps (that is megaBYTES not megabits, 1 megabyte = 8 megabits so 120mBps is a full 1gbps). Small files on the other hand take significantly longer from a magnetic since it is not reading sequential data. Thus 10mBps could be completely correct.

Other issues could be that the port is not auto negotiating correctly and is thus only running at 100mbps speed. You can go into adapter properties to see what speed the port is running at.
 
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