CPU or GPU upgrade??

Tyler LM

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Okay so now that I know I will have 350-400 dollars by December what should I go with a CPU or GPU upgrade? My Specs are as follows

CPU: i5-6500
RAM: 16GB DDR4 @2133 OCable to 2666
GPU: R9 380X 4GB Variant
MOBO: LGA1151 H110M-K

I play games that are VERY CPU heavy and not many that are GPU heavy besides ones like Black Desert Online; the main games that are very CPU bound are Rift, WoW, and ESO. I do see a lot of frame drops from 60+ all the way to 25-30 sometimes more, In WoW when that happens its because 1 core hits 100 percent usage with all others are at under 25-30 meaning its single threaded MOSTLY my GPU in WoW is always 20-70 percent. I also get good drops in town in Rift with all cores around 80 and 1-2 hitting up to 100 with GPU around 100 as well. ESO is kinda more evenly balanced with my GPU usually at 80-100 and CPU at 30-90. I also play some others like CSGO and Fallout 4, but I get enough frames in those games that if I dont get a FPS boost it dont matter.
 
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I think you have answered your own question.

A H110 motherboard will run a I7-7700K which costs about $310.
That is as good as you can do without changing your motherboard.
You will also need to budget $35 or so for a better than stock cooler.
Your I5-6500 runs at 3.2 with a turbo to 3.6 for one fast core.
I7-7700K runs at 4.2 with a turbo of 4.5.
That is what you will get using a H110 motherboard since overclocking is not possible.

If you buy a Z270 based motherboard, you can run a I5-7600K or a I7-7700K at an
overclocked speed around 4.9 depending on your luck in getting a good chip.

Here is my stock answer to this question, test whatever you think is appropriate:

Some games are graphics limited like fast action shooters...

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I would have to say there isnt much you could upgrade but if you were going to, judging by what you said about your programs being CPU intensive, that the obvious choice would be to upgrade your I5 to an I7.

Seeing as how your available budget wouldnt be able to get anything much better than your R9 380X right now with the market being altered by the crypto-craze and GPUs being very much overpriced. You should get a new processor.

Remember to make sure the processor youre going to purchase is the same socket as your existing CPU, so that they fit into the same motherboard.

Good luck, hope this helps.
 
I think you have answered your own question.

A H110 motherboard will run a I7-7700K which costs about $310.
That is as good as you can do without changing your motherboard.
You will also need to budget $35 or so for a better than stock cooler.
Your I5-6500 runs at 3.2 with a turbo to 3.6 for one fast core.
I7-7700K runs at 4.2 with a turbo of 4.5.
That is what you will get using a H110 motherboard since overclocking is not possible.

If you buy a Z270 based motherboard, you can run a I5-7600K or a I7-7700K at an
overclocked speed around 4.9 depending on your luck in getting a good chip.

Here is my stock answer to this question, test whatever you think is appropriate:

Some games are graphics limited like fast action shooters.
Others are cpu core speed limited like strategy, sims, and mmo.
Multiplayer with many participants tend to like many threads.

You need to find out which.
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To help clarify your CPU/GPU options, run these two tests:

a) Run YOUR games, but lower your resolution and eye candy.
If your FPS increases, it indicates that your cpu is strong enough to drive a better graphics configuration.
If your FPS stays the same, you are likely more cpu limited.

b) Limit your cpu, either by reducing the OC, or, in windows power management, limit the maximum cpu% to something like 70%.
Go to control panel/power options/change plan settings/change advanced power settings/processor power management/maximum processor state/
This will simulate what a lack of cpu power will do.
Conversely what a 30% improvement in core speed might do.

You should also experiment with removing one or more cores. You can do this in the windows msconfig boot advanced options option.
You will need to reboot for the change to take effect. Set the number of threads to less than you have.
This will tell you how sensitive your games are to the benefits of many threads.
If you see little difference, your game does not need all the threads you have.



It is possible that both tests are positive, indicating that you have a well balanced system,
and both cpu and gpu need to be upgraded to get better gaming FPS.
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Gallarian

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My suggestion, based on your current use case and the state of the market, is to wait for Coffee Lake to come out and then upgrade to an i7.

Once it does, you can expect to see a wave of cheap used i7s, if not even a price cut on new ones.

Coffee Lake is supposed to hit later this year.
 

Tyler LM

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Yeah if I go i7 I would get i7-7700K (I know I cant OC, but I can get new MOBO later on) and then be able to play games like WoW and Rift with around 1.5-1.8 times the performance.
 

Tyler LM

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I actually tested all this besides resolution when I made this post. I will retest and show you what happens.
 

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When I put CPU from 100 percent to 70 percent I lost (in Stormwind looking in a pile of people) 10-20 frames depending on how many people stayed and how many left.

When I put Res down I actually seemed to loose around 1-3 FPS; this was all tested in WoW which is the most CPU intensive I play.
 

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The only thing I am confused about is what CPU because the Ryzen 5 1600X is better than the i5 7640X in gaming, but since MMOs are Single Core and sometimes 4 threaded demanding should I still go Ryzen or would the i7 benefit more due to the single core difference of around 25-30 percent?