Cpu combination with gpu

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Im planning to buy a gtx 1080 video card and i hear that cpu bottlnecks can appear.Will my amd fx 6300 at 3.5GHZ oc to 4.1.Is that enugh not to bottlen co it?or reccommend me a cpu that is a really good combibation with the gpu.And tell me what other components affect gpu bottlnecks
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The 1600 on the parts list comes with a stock wraith cooler. It is good for a stock cooler. I don't think you need a AIO water cooler. AIO stand for "All In One". Which means it is a water cooler that already has the liquid, pump, and radiator in a closed loop system. Anything else would be custom water cooling and you are not ready for that. It gets really expensive.

The HDD is compatible. Any desktop HDD will be compatible.

The difference in fans comes down to noise. Quite fans cost more than louder fans. I am not familiar with the fans you selected, but that does not mean they are bad. RBG will cost more, but you will have the ability to customize your system.

If I were you I would start with 2 fans for intake (front of...
Yes, that CPU will be bottlenecked by the 1080. I would suggest getting at least an AMD 1600x or an Intel i5 7600k to pair with the 1080. You would see additional benefit from a AMD 1700 or Intel i7 7700k, but there would be an added cost.

There is another bottleneck that most people don't think about with the GPU, and that is the monitor. If you are using a 1080p 60hz monitor, then your monitor will be a bigger bottleneck than the fx 6300. You should consider getting a 1440p/144hz monitor to pair with the 1080. I would also recommend a gsync monitor. While gsync adds about $200 to a monitor, you will never look at gaming the same again after looking a monitor with gsync.
 

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I have a 1920x1080p monitor @144hz is that enough?And does my benq xl2411z have gsync (even tho i dont know what it is im sorry).And btw you said that the cpu will be bottlnecked,ising it suppossed to be the gpu that is getting bottnecked?give me a set of cp'us that i can combine with the 1080.(btw i can oc my fx 6300 to 4.1 ghz dosenr tgat reduce the bottlneck?
 
No, that monitor does not have gsync, but it is a good monitor and wont bottleneck a 1080. I would keep it for now.

When you play at 1080p the bottleneck moves to the CPU, even more so with a 1080. But you would still have good performance, you would just not be using the 1080 its fullest potential. You might only be taking advantage of 50-75% of the 1080's ability with a 6300. I have no idea what GPU you are using now, but you would definitely see a performance boost over whatever GPU you currently use.

As for the processor it really depends on how much money you want to spend. You dont need a $1k processor to feed the gpu. I would not spend more than $350 (us dollars) on a processor. The GPU is much more important for gaming. If you want an AMD processor, the AMD 1600 is a really good value and is a 6 core 12 thread chip. The 1700x has 8 cores and 16 threads for only $80 more, so it would be more future proof. Here are some links:

http://www.microcenter.com/product/477468/Ryzen_5_1600_32GHz_6_Core_AM4_Boxed_Processor_with_Wraith_Spire_Cooler

http://www.microcenter.com/product/476004/Ryzen_7_1700X_34_GHz_8_Core_AM4_Boxed_Processor

If you want Intel then I would go with a i5 7600k or and i7 7700k, pending your budget. The i7 7700k is the best processor in the world for gaming. Here are some links to the intel processors

http://www.microcenter.com/product/472529/Core_i7-7700K_Kaby_Lake_42_GHz_LGA_1151_Boxed_Processor

http://www.microcenter.com/product/472532/Core_i5-7600K_Kaby_Lake_380_GHz_LGA_1151_Boxed_Processor

Over the past 10 years, if you wanted to get the best processor, you would go with Intel as AMD has lagged behind. However the new AMD Ryzen chips are very good. They are not quite as fast as Intel for gaming (but they are still very good), and they offer more cores for a better price point than Intel. If I were building a new system today I would get a Ryzen 1700x.

However, if you decide to get a new CPU, you will have to get a new motherboard and Ram. Essentially, you will be buying a whole new system, which gets expensive. If you have the money for the 1080 and the CPU/RAM/Motherboard, then go get it. However, if you dont have enough for all of it, then I would go get the 1080 and see how it plays. As I said, it will be an improvement over whatever you have now despite what processor you are using. Then you can upgrade the rest of the PC when you have the cash.
 

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Thanks for the reply and i would like to add a few things.My rig is:
msi gtx 750ti
Patroit 8gb ram
Fx 6300 3.5 ghz to 4.1
Motherboard: m5a97 r2.0
Psu:evga 500 b1 80+ watt Bronze

I read you reply and i really appreciate you taking time and helping me.I want you to tell me if my psu and motherboard are compatible with a gtx 1080 (you can choose one for my rig) and i woudnt mind if you choose me any processor that can handle the gtx 1080 without bottlnecks.(intel,amd..) my video card budget is about 550 to 600 dollars.
Thanks


 


You will need a new PSU to run a overclocked 6300 and a 1080. I would recommend a 650 watt PSU from a quality vendor. You really dont want to go cheap on the PSU cause a bad PSU will fry your system.

There is an issue with your mother board. It's PCIe lanes are 2.0. The 1080 runs on PCIe 3.0. The difference is twice the amount of bandwidth for information. So the PCIe 3.0 will move twice as much bandwidth as PCIe 2.0. However, video cards really dont need all of that bandwidth. In some situations they do, but not many. So if you used the 1080 on that board, it would use PCIe 2.0 x16 lanes so it would acutally be running PCIe 3.0 x8 lanes. The truth is, PCIe 3.0 x 8 is enough to run that card. I run twind 1080ti's in sli and they both run at 8 lanes each and there is very little, if any at all, performance loss.

So I would not say that you have to build a whole new system if you get a 1080 unless you just want to. If you dont have the cash to throw down for a new system, then I would get the 1080 and a quality PSU and you will see significant improvement over your 750ti.

The problem you have is with the new processors, you will have to upgrade everything. If you get a new processor, you need a new motherboard and DDR4 RAM, so essentially, it would be a new system. So if money is tight, then you can stretch your system out for a little while longer and have excellent performance

But if you have the cash and want an upgrade, then this would be an excellent system that would last you for years:

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TXvXQV
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TXvXQV/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($199.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($77.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($126.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($127.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB AMP! Edition Video Card ($569.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.79 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1202.62
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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I live in the middle east and its really hard to choose prices for new components because their really expensive in here.Currently,my gpu budget is 550 to 600 dollars.Talking about the the psu,is this psu good enough if i got a 1080:Corsair VS Series VS650 - 650 Watt Power Supply(https://uae.souq.com/ae-en/corsair-vs-series-vs650-650-watt-power-supply-9953221/i/) because the one you recommended me is not available.About the pcie lanes,so if i use the current motherboard(m5a97 evo r 2.0),its no problem but little performance drops?I mean,i think i can save for the motherboard you shared with me.But,im gonna have to change my current cpu? (if i use the motherboard you sent me).Maybe ill try to sell a few parts here and there and build a whole new system.If i dont want to build a new system,i would get a good psu (give me a list of good psu's with good price) and ill choose one depending on their availability.

another question:
why is my cpu too bad to combine with a 1080 even tho i can overclock it to 4 ghz while the cpu you sent me is only 3.2 ghz?
(im a noob sorry)
also im not really a fanboy of amd or intel i just want a good price to performance cpu.So i dont mind if you send me an intel cpu.
BTW can i get the ryzen 1600x instead of the 1600 cuz theres not much difference between them.

 
Corsair makes good PSU and I really only recommend Seasonic, EVGA, and Corsair, mainly just because I have had good experience with their products. The VS is at the bottom of the Corsair lineup and is made with cheaper components. With that being said, I would go with that one before I went with a more expensive model from a brand I have never heard of.

Your CPU is not too bad to combine with a 1080, but it will cause a bottleneck. If you want to get the most out of your system, you will need to upgrade the CPU at some point.

You cant look at clockspeeds to determine a chips performance. Clockspeeds are important, but there are many other factors that determine single core and multi core performance. Think of it like this, if you are driving in a bunch of mud, the wheels maybe spinning 40 miles per hour , but your car is not moving 40 miles per hour. The wheels are just spinning in the mud and the car is barely moving. You don't just judge a processor by how fast it's "wheels can spin", rather you have to consider the quality of the architecture, or "cores" it is moving in.

The Ryzen 1600 that I suggested has a base clock of 3.2ghz, but it can be overclocked to somewhere between 3.8-4.1 Depends on silicon lottery. Some chips perform better than others from the same lineup. So if you measuring clock for clock, the 1600 will have clock speeds comparable to the fx 6300. But the 1600 is a much better processor in every measurable category.

If your on a budget, then I would recommend the 1600 over the 1600x, because they are essentially the same chip except the 1600x is clocked a little higher and has xfr which essentially adds a little more to the boost, sometimes. Since both chips have unlocked multipliers and can be overclocked, a 1600 can be overclocked to match the clock speed of a 1600x. The bigger difference is the 1600 comes with a wraith cooler where the 1600x does not come with a cooler. So if you buy the 1600x, then you would also need to factor in the cost of an aftermarket CPU cooler.

As for an Intel build, see below. But if you are wanting value over performance, the AMD is a better way to go right now. The same intel build cost a little more than the AMD build, but the intel processor is a 4 core/4 thread chip, where the AMD chip is a 6 core/12 thread chip. This does not mean much for games, but if you want to use your PC for anything other than gaming, such as video editing or streaming, then the AMD chip will perform better while the Intel chip has a little bit better performance in games.

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dMhR3F
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dMhR3F/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i5-7600K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($224.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool - GAMMAXX 400 74.3 CFM CPU Cooler ($22.79 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI - Z270 TOMAHAWK ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($111.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($124.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($127.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB AMP! Edition Video Card ($569.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.79 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1282.41
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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ok then i think that the best option for me right now if i want a new graphics card is to upgrade my whole system.I can wait for that no probs. But regarding the cpu and psu,i will choose the ryzen 5 1600 and this power supply:
https://gear-up.me/psu-evga-supernova-650-g2-650w-80-plus-gold-full-modular-140mm-7ylw.html
(you can give me a good one for good price)
I might also save for a 1080ti but i think ill need a better psu right?
What about the ryzen will it do good with a 1080ti?
and plus if i want to build a new system,i would make it include most of the parts out of RGB lighting.So i made this one:
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/alihamad/saved/GwtjXL
(you can help me with an rgb build too)
And why do i need an ssd instead of and hdd?
I already have a 1TB hdd
and can i use them at the same time?
and why would i use an ssd anyway?
 
The EVGA 650 watt G2 is a very good PSU. The EVGA G2 and G3 models are both very good. The G3 is the new design, but I would go with whatever is cheaper. If you are thinking about getting a 1080ti and you plan on overclocking the CPU/GPU (which I recommend), then you should get a 750 watt PSU.

As far as RBG, you would just have to get components that have RBG lighting. My motherboard has RBG and you cant really see it because I have GPUs and CPU cooler that restricts vision. I have some blue LED fans that I use and my case has a lighting included. RBG can get expensive and it does not add to performance. For me, I focus on performance first. But if you going to have the system for while, an extra 50 here or there is not much over several years.

In my opinion, an SSD is the single most important upgrade anyone should make in their system. SSDs are much faster than HDD, but they are also more expensive. What an SSD does is drastically reduce load times and boot times. It will also make you whole PC seem to respond much quicker. I recommend getting an SSD to install your Operating System and frequently used programs. Then you can use your HDD to install your games. If you install Windows on the SSD it will boot in 10-20 seconds. If you install Windows on a HDD it will boot in over a minute.

I like you build. It will be a really nice PC. I added an SSD to it and a PSU that I would go with if you are thinking about getting the 1080ti. Good luck!

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bLHfBP
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bLHfBP/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($199.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-AB350-GAMING 3 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($77.49 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($148.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($127.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB STRIX GAMING Video Card
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $654.23
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Thank you so much for keeping up with me!!!
and btw can i manually set where os or files go whether to the hdd or to the ssd
 
Yes, when you install windows it will ask you where you want put the installation. It will show all of your drives on the PC. You would want to select the SSD. So if you have a 250gb SSD and a 1tb HDD, then it would show 2 drives, one of them would have around 230gb, the other would have around 900gb, you would select the 230gb for the install.

It gets a little confusing if you have a SSD and a HDD that are exactly the same size. But for your PC, I would not recommend spending the money for a 1tb SSD. So it should not be a problem.
 

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im so sorry i forget to keep all my questions in one reply.
Do i need any water cooling or aio cooling (idk whats the difference and what is aio cooling) and is this this hard drive compatible with the pc you made me?

hard drive:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0088PUEPK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

and btw i have 3 case fans (including the one that came with my case)

2 exhaust fans and one intake.

wanna know where they are?
or want see my pc in a picture so that it can be easier to see?
the fans:(i bought them for their rgb ik there are so many fans out there that are better with rgb but im sorry,i was a noob when i bought it)
https://uae.souq.com/ae-en/alseye-case-fan-and-led-strip-with-remote-control-22052111/i/
 
The 1600 on the parts list comes with a stock wraith cooler. It is good for a stock cooler. I don't think you need a AIO water cooler. AIO stand for "All In One". Which means it is a water cooler that already has the liquid, pump, and radiator in a closed loop system. Anything else would be custom water cooling and you are not ready for that. It gets really expensive.

The HDD is compatible. Any desktop HDD will be compatible.

The difference in fans comes down to noise. Quite fans cost more than louder fans. I am not familiar with the fans you selected, but that does not mean they are bad. RBG will cost more, but you will have the ability to customize your system.

If I were you I would start with 2 fans for intake (front of case) and 2 fans for exhaust (rear of case) and you will be good to go.
 
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my case:
http://www.coolermaster.com/case/mid-tower/k380/

(btw you can install a fan on top instead of the air vent+there's one at the bottom)

well since i have 3 fans already,you can give me a good fan for price and quality

Its been 2 days and i dont know whether too go fore the r5 1600,r7 1700 or the 7700k.
Ik the differences like ryzen is better for the future of gaming and is much better in video rendering and editing +good for higher resolutions.Some say the r5 1600 would bottlneck a 1080ti and some say the intel 7700k delivers better performance for today games.I am really confused and i have already made two other threads about it with no answer.Do you think i should wait for new cards in order to combine with a good cpu or vice versa.Or tell me when will games use more than 4 cores and will be an advantage for ryzen but..how much will intel pay to use only 4 cores or less?
see its confusing tho ive stated a few things.