i have one question does hgst 5tb nas drive would be the best upgrade for me ?

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i have been using seagate hard drives for quite some time and i am afraid of it crashing all at once and i read in backblaze blog that hgst have less failure rates can anyone suggesst tme 5 tb hgst nas drive i intend to buy 2 of them in next year i am just doing market survey for now
 
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^^^^^^^^^^^ EXACTLY ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The backblaze reports make Seagate look like garbage based on an environment that those drives were absolutely not designed to run in.

Now, that said, older model Seagate desktop drives were definitely not at the top of their class in reliability. Other manufacturers were better at the time. Newer releases from Seagate promise much better reliability but time will tell. I've had some Seagate HDDs run for years with zero issues, and they're always fast, but I've also ordered 5 x 3TB HDDs where 3/5 were bad out of the box, then 2/3 RMA'd were also bad, so I kicked older Seagate desktop/consumer HDDs to the curb. Newer barracuda & NAS drives though I would absolutely give a shot. I swear by...

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HGST, generally have a much lower failure rate than their competitors - but that margin varies dramatically depending on the model being compared/compared against.

Even then, their rate is only "lower". There's no guarantee an HGST won't fail on you.

More reliable drives is not a substitute for a reliable backup method (at the very least, some redundancy via RAID in a NAS).
 

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so hgst 5 tb i cant find it anywherre it also says in backblaze blog that 4tb externals are reliable and my steam games are growing as years passess by i intend to buy two of any hard drives that u suggesst i am a student i stick to max to 5 tb any advice is welcome thanks in advance .
 
Backblaze data has no possible relevance to consumer drives in a consumer environment. THG "exposed" this fallacy in an article a year or two ago.

Backblaze rents storage and to make money, they buy / create arrays in the cheapest ways possible.

1. They buy the cheapest low budget stuff on the market
2. They literally had the drives mounted in loose racks with the HDs held in place by rubber bands.
3. The used consumer drives in a server environment. This is like using racing slicks to climb roads in the rocky mountains during a blizzard.

Consumer drives are equipped with a feature called "head parking" which returns the drive head to a parked position so that routine vibrations and desk bumps, don't cause the head to crash into the platter. Servers farms are built ... well not Backblaze's .... on heavy concrete foundations that can not transmit vibration. Therefore server class drives do not need have this feature

It would vastly reduce their performance moving the head away from the data as servers are constantly retrieving or writing data. So a mechanical drive may have the same internal construction, with firmware or other variations that make it better for a particular usage.

That "head parking" feature that is oh so valuable in a consumer environment, is actually a detriment in a server environment. HDs are typically rated for 250 - 500k parking cycles and a server drive can go thru that in 3 months ... big surprise why they don't last. Might as well order soup with a fork and then complain it's difficult to eat.

If you want to determine what to use in a home or office, then the relevant data to peruse would be be how many consumer drives used in a consumer HDs are RMAd. That data is readily available. Each set of numbers is the data recorded for drives RMA'd that were between 6 and 12 months of age, followed by the data for the previous 6 months in parenthesis

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/954-6/disques-durs.html

2017/12/09 reporting period

Seagate 0,72% (contre 0,69%)
Toshiba 0,80% (contre 1,15%)
Western 1,04% (contre 1,03%)
HGST 1,13% (contre 0,60%)

2016/05/13 reporting period
HGST 0,60% (contre 0,81%)
Seagate 0,69% (contre 0,60%)
Western 1,00% (contre 0,90%)
Toshiba 1,15% (contre 0,96%)

2015/11/09 reporting period
- Seagate 0,60% (contre 0,68%)
- HGST 0,81% (contre 1,16%)
- Western 0,90% (contre 1,09%)
- Toshiba 0,96% (contre 1,34%)

2015/05/19 reporting period
- Seagate 0,68% (contre 0,69%)
- Western 1,09% (contre 0,93%)
- HGST 1,16% (contre 1,01%)
- Toshiba 1,34% (contre 1,29%)

2014/11/06 reporting period
- Seagate 0,69% (contre 0,86%)
- Western 0,93 (contre 1,13%)
- HGST 1,01% (contre 1,08%)
- Toshiba 1,29% (contre 1,02%)

2014/04/30 reporting period
- Seagate 0,86% (contre 0,95%)
- Toshiba 1,02% (contre 1,54%)
- Hitachi 1,08% (contre 1,16%)
- Western 1,13% (contre 1,19%)

Now all of the above being what it is, I caution against EVER, for any component, relying on brand names for evaluation. Whether it be PSUs, MoBos, GFX cards or anything else, just about every manufacturer has made some great products and some real bombers. You should therefore peruse the data on individual drives and avid the models with high failure rates rather than focusing on brand names.

However, as the above "real market data" shows, the Backblaze study is in no way relevant to your task. Might as well read a study that says "the plastic forks we bought are no good to eat soup".
 

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^^^^^^^^^^^ EXACTLY ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The backblaze reports make Seagate look like garbage based on an environment that those drives were absolutely not designed to run in.

Now, that said, older model Seagate desktop drives were definitely not at the top of their class in reliability. Other manufacturers were better at the time. Newer releases from Seagate promise much better reliability but time will tell. I've had some Seagate HDDs run for years with zero issues, and they're always fast, but I've also ordered 5 x 3TB HDDs where 3/5 were bad out of the box, then 2/3 RMA'd were also bad, so I kicked older Seagate desktop/consumer HDDs to the curb. Newer barracuda & NAS drives though I would absolutely give a shot. I swear by Seagate Enterprise drives in the servers I've built & across somewhere in the 80-90 of those I've received I had one bad one out of the box. That aint bad...

I've installed somewhere around 100 Toshiba P300s in the last year across a bunch of workstations, in RAID arrays also. I run every drive through Seatools generic long drive test and have yet to have one be bad. They're fast & thus far have performed very well for me and had zero customer complaints or failed drives. Again though, we'll see what happens at year 2-3 and beyond.

HGST Deskstar NAS drives are nice and seem very reliable. Never a bad choice.

At the end of the day, just back up your damn data. This is without a doubt the most important advice anyone can give you.
 
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That is totally irrelevant to you buying a single drive.

From the backblaze report a couple of years ago....Seagate 3TB drives were "OMG! GONNA DIE INSTANTLY!"
I have a couple of those exact drives, bought before that report.
24/7 use since then, both still working 100%.

Whatever drive you buy...backup backup backup