First gaming PC build? Need help

Dash117 · Jul 16, 2017

Hey everyone,

I am looking forward to making my very own first gaming PC.

I selected the following parts;

GPU: MSI GTX 1060 GAMING X + 6GB

Motherboard: MSI H270 PC MATE or MSI H270 Gaming M3 ( dont know which one is worth it)

Processor: Intel Core i5-7600 - 3.5 GHz BOXED

RAM: Crucial Ballistix Tactical BLT2C8G4D30AETA Or G.Skill DDR4 Ripjaws V 2x8GB 3000 (dont know which one is better.

Powersupply: be quiet! SYSTEM POWER 8 500W

HDD: SEAGATE BARRACUDA ST1000DM010 1 TB

SSD: SAMSUNG 850 EVO 250 GB 2,5 INCH

Case: Corsair Carbide SPEC-ALPHA black/red (with 3 buildin vans)

I "think" all components are compatible, not 100% (again kinda a noob at this).
My biggest concern however are the powersupply and if the case will fit it all.

If somewhone would be able to help me out i would be truly gratefull.

Dash

Khushwant_1 · Jul 16, 2017

I would givw you following recommendations:
1.buy a b250 series motherboard, as both dont support SLI and all you will be getting is few extra sata ports and usb ports. Here you can save some money and buy more storage or better gpu.
2. Whatever high end ram you buy, it will always run at 2400mhz, so dont bother buying a 2400+ mhz RAM. Save some of your money here and invest it somewhere else.
3. Your power supply is good, dont worry it's more than enough.
4.if you are using stock cooler than there are no compatibility issues.
P.S. i dont know what boxed means in your cpu description, but if it is used then you might need to buy new thermal paste to apply on your cpu before fixing cpu cooler.

Chugalug_ · Jul 16, 2017

What's your budget?
Ryzen will be a far better fit.
I'll make you a list.
The PSU is poor quality, ignore the guy above.

Dash117 · Jul 16, 2017

Khushwant_1 :

Chugalug_ :

Thank you for answering so fast.

My budget would be around 1500,- to 1600,- Euro's
Why would you suggest the Ryzen for me ?

Dash117 · Jul 16, 2017

Khushwant_1 :

Thank you for answering on such short notice.

With boxed i mean that there is a CPU cooler included with the CPU.
With the b250 series motherboard, is there nothing else i comprimise with that ?

Chugalug_ · Jul 16, 2017

Are you okay with buying from Germany?
I recommend Ryzen because it has way more threads than an i5, and games are beginning to utilize higher thread counts, meaning an i5 will be on the way out soon, and Ryzen will stay relevant.
Also much more cost effective.

Dash117 · Jul 16, 2017

Chugalug_ :

I am from the Netherlands so i dont think ordering from Germany will result in higher costs for me.
One thing though doesnt that mean the motherboard needs to be changed as well.

Chugalug_ · Jul 16, 2017

Yeah, it does.
Is there any problem there?

jaslion · Jul 16, 2017

Dash117 :

Since you are from the netherlands use this site to find the cheapest option for you. usually it's megekko.
https://tweakers.net/pricewatch/

Indeed the motherboard has to be changed the a am4 b350 board. It's not going to cost you more than what you initially had for the i5 so no worry's there.

Khushwant_1 · Jul 16, 2017

No... There is nothing wrong with that.
Now all the things i said about h270 platform are irrelevant as u are now switching to b350 motherboard....now buy the best ram you can as it can be overclocked on b350..
Also i researched about your psu...chugalug is right...buy something better

Khushwant_1 · Jul 16, 2017

I said dont buy 2400+ mhz ram cause you were using h270 platform and they are not meant for overclocking (both cpu&ram)...they only support 2133&2400 mhz ram...so you would be throwing away your money by buying a 3000mhz ram, as it would run at 2400mhz only.

Chugalug_ · Jul 16, 2017

Went to sleep!

Dash117 · Jul 17, 2017

Chugalug_ :

Hey, thank you so much for the great support already. And yes i was asleep

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A few questions though:

- The motherboard you mentioned is a Micro-ATX and only supports up to 1 case fan. Shouldn't it be a better idea to go for an ATX Motherboard?

-The GPU is one i really want, the problem is i wanted in the 1500,- / 1600,- Euros to also buy a screen and keyboard. Can i chance the GPU to a cheaper 1060/1070 or does that really chance the build?

- As for the CPU you mentioned the Ryzen 5 is it really that much better than the I5?

-The Case you changed to a different model is that because it is easier to build or more space?. I am Asking this because this case only comes with 1 pre-installed fan. And that would mean that i need to buy more fans right, again this comes back to the motherboard.

-As for the PSU what is the difference that makes this one good, and the other one shitty.(trying to get some knowledge

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Dash117 · Jul 17, 2017

Khushwant_1 :

I wasn't aware of that, thank you so much.
Because that indeed would be a waste of money.

Dash117 · Jul 17, 2017

One more thing though, i was not planning to overclock. Unless someone can tell me why that would be better.
I am however very open to it if it is better

Chugalug_ · Jul 17, 2017

Overclocking allows you to reach higher CPU clock speeds which are crucial in achieving higher framerates and better performance, the 1600's stock cooler is beefy, and it is very easy to OC to 1600X levels.
Risk free, not dangerous as long as you don't do anything stupid like put the voltage at insane levels then run a stress test for an hour. Even then the system will just shut down, and you can fix it.

The case is different because it is essentially the newer version of the SPEC-Alpha and is much easier to build in.
Get this keyboard: https://tweakers.net/pricewatch/269765/steelseries-6gv2-(qwerty).html

Do you have any existing monitor or a 4k TV? The 1080 Ti is really something you don't want to miss.
It supports two case fans, and if you want more you can just get a splitter and it'll be fine.

Chugalug_ · Jul 17, 2017

In regards to the RAM, remember he was referring to Intel, high frequency for the list I posted still stands.

Dash117 · Jul 17, 2017

Chugalug_ :

Hey, no i do not have a monitor or 4k TV i was looking at this monitor: https://tweakers.net/pricewatch/467505/aoc-g2460vq6-zwart.html

For the overclocking part, i have no experience with overclocking. However i may want to do it in the future. But for overclocking you where suggesting the Ryzen 1600 and not the Ryzen 1600x right?

For the motherboard part i have been looking around, and came to this potential motherboard allowing more fans. I do not know if this is needed. https://www.megekko.nl/product/0/204909/MSI-B350-GAMING-PLUS?r=tweakers.net&utm_source=tweakers.net&utm_medium=cpc

For the case it does look good really good, but i need to buy extra fans with that right? Or can i stay with the old one? ( Remember first time building a pc and never assembled one before ). and with the other case the fans where already installed.

For the PSU i still have the question do i need more wattage, and what is better with this one than the other.

For the RAM, The RAM you suggested is very good but wouldn't you advice the RAM that i selected in my original buidl.

Already a big THANKS btw for helping me, and i totally agree with the chance from Intel I5 7600 to Ryzen 1600. But is it just the multietreading that makes it better?

Chugalug_ · Jul 17, 2017

You'd want a 144hz monitor, which pushes you over budget, that's my consideration atm.

You might need to drop the SSD, meaning slower boot times, is that okay with you?
Yes with OCing I was suggesting the 1600, all Ryzen CPUs can OC with a B350 board.
That mobo isn't great, and overpriced.
Cut the SSD and grab this.
https://tweakers.net/pricewatch/477434/acer-xf240h-zwart.html

Dash117 · Jul 17, 2017

Chugalug_ :

Yeah i was thinking about that as well or a cheaper SSD.
Still i think i may want to chance to the MSI Gaming X+ 6GB
But doesn't it matter for the motherboard that it is a Micro-ATX, instead of a ATX

Chugalug_ · Jul 17, 2017

Nah, the Gaming X cards are overpriced.
mATX vs ATX doesn't matter, SLI is a waste of money, and literally the only benefit for ATX apart from more PCIE devices, for which you would need to go X370 to take advantage of anyway.
Ditch the SSD, stick with the 1080 Ti and 1080p 144hz monitor, max everything out and enjoy crazy framerates.

Dash117 · Jul 17, 2017

Chugalug_ :

I will stay with the monitor the only problem is that the videocard is way beyond my budget, so i have to stay with a 1060.
What bothers me though is that the motherboard only supports 1 fan.
Can you still tell me though if staying with my original RAM and Case is a good idea

Dash117 · Jul 17, 2017

Oh and my question about what is better with the Ryzen 1600 than the Intel I5 1700

Chugalug_ · Jul 17, 2017

Whaaaat.
I thought your budget was 1600 at the top end inc. keyboard/monitor?
From what I remember it works out to roughly 1640, I can fiddle around and try to bring it down again if you want. A 1060 is a giant leap down.

Chugalug_ · Jul 17, 2017

Ta-da! Put in a solid 'mem-chanical' keyboard which is still decent, works out to 1600 Euros while keeping top end performance.

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