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ProdigyJC

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I'm playing this new game paladins and as you can see from the pic that it's not graphic intensive. Yet in the middle of fights I get 30-40 fps. I might be wrong but even with the cheaper hardware I have I think I should be getting more out of the game. Maybe you guys can see something I don't as far as the stats in the pic. I didn't have any side applications opened and closed most of the apps in the task tray. Whatever graphic settings I have set in game impact the fps at all.

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(P.S. I'm having a side issue where the computer crashes with a multiple monitor setup. I've posted about this in a separate thread. That's how I was able to take this pic.)

Mobo - GIGABYTE GA-F2A68HM-H AMD
APU - AMD A10-7860k
GPU - Radeon Rx460 2GB GDDR5
Memory - Crucial 4GB DDR3L
Power - EVGA 500W
SSD - SanDisk 250GB
 
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If your frames drop when you are operating at 70% speed, it indicates a fundamental core speed limitation.
You will do better with a processor that has a better single thread passmark rating.

If your fps does not change if you remove one thread, it says you are not using all of the 4 threads you have.
That argues against ryzen whose strength is los cost many threads and in favor of kaby lake which has faster threads.
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Since you have a discrete graphics card, Can you disable the integrated graphics on your A10-7860K? That will give more resources to compute.

Some other thoughts.

1. 4gb is not enough for todays games.

2. You are likely cpu limited. Most games will depend on the performance of a single master thread.
You might think that at 75% busy and none at 100% that you are ok.
Not so, what you are likely seeing is windows spreading out the activity of the limiting thread over all available threads.
Your $100 A10-7860K has a single thread passmark rating of only 1582.
By comparison, even the G4560 with a $52 list price has a rating of 1992.

I think you made an unfortunate decision to buy an APU if you ever wanted to upgrade.
You buy a APU for the excellent integrated graphics.
But, there are no real good upgrades, particularly for a gamer.
If you install a superior discrete graphics card, you will have thrown away the big advantage of the APU.
Then, you are left with a relatively weak cpu. Most games depend on only a few fast cores.

Bottom line.....
What you get with a APU is what you will live with forever.

And... if you want more ram, you may need to abandon what you have.
Adding ram is not guaranteed to work.
Ram is sold in kits for a reason.
A motherboard must manage all the ram using the same specs of voltage, cas and speed.
Ram from the same vendor and part number can be made up of differing manufacturing components over time.
Some motherboards can be very sensitive to this.

Sorry, I do not know what more to suggest.
 
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Yes I can disable it by unplugging the other monitor.
1. I have two sticks of that memory, sorry I forgot to add that part. 8 GB total.
2. Damn.

Just as quick back story my little brother wanted a low end gaming PC so I built him one, but I'm using it mostly till I build mine. I don't plan to upgrade the hardware if not necessary. But I will follow your suggestions. I told the game to use all of the CPU cores.
 
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I reverted the cores back to single thread or however it did it by default. And disabled the integrated graphics. This boosted me from 40 to 70 fps. The status monitor looks the same in-game though. Most of the cores are at around 70%.

The reason I haven't attached the second monitor to the GPU is because it's an old VGA monitor and I would need a HDMI adaptor.

From the beginning I assumed the bottlenecking was from the CPU. I just want to make sure that the GPU can no doubt handle this game above 100 fps?
 
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Remember, 70% does not mean you have headroom.
70% is still likely a single thread that is rotated among the available threads.

Do some tests to see how sensitive your game is to cpu core speeds and the number of threads.

a) Run YOUR games, but lower your resolution and eye candy.
If your FPS increases, it indicates that your cpu is strong enough to drive a better graphics configuration.
If your FPS stays the same, you are likely more cpu limited.

b) Limit your cpu, either by reducing the OC, or, in windows power management, limit the maximum cpu% to something like 70%.
Go to control panel/power options/change plan settings/change advanced power settings/processor power management/maximum processor state/
This will simulate what a lack of cpu power will do.
Conversely what a 30% improvement in core speed might do.

3) Experiment with removing one or more threads. You can do this in the windows msconfig boot advanced options option.
You will need to reboot for the change to take effect. Set the number of threads to less than you have.
This will tell you how sensitive your games are to the benefits of many threads.
If you see little difference, your game does not need all the threads you have.


 
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Your A10-8760K has a passmark rating of 5100 when all threads are fully utilized.
The single thread rating, which is more important for games is1582.
Here is a list of the processors supported by your motherboard:
https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-F2A68HM-H-rev-10#support-cpu
The strongest among them is an $135 A10-7890K with a passmark rating of 5750 and a single thread rating of 1711. A 8% improvement that I can not recommend.

By comparison, a intel $86 G4620 has a passmark rating of 5307 and a single thread rating of 2146. A H110 based lga1151 motherboard with a bios update will be $50, or a B250 motherboard will be $65.
a 2 x 4gb kit of DDR4 ram will be about $60.
The nice thing is that the lga1151 motherboard can support a future cpu upgrade as good as a $350 I7-7700K.

 
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I tried these last two things first and the FPS actually dropped about 20-40 frames. And with these changes still applied, there was no change in FPS between max settings and absolute lowest visuals/resolution. For the threads I limited the PC to three processors instead of the four.
 
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If your frames drop when you are operating at 70% speed, it indicates a fundamental core speed limitation.
You will do better with a processor that has a better single thread passmark rating.

If your fps does not change if you remove one thread, it says you are not using all of the 4 threads you have.
That argues against ryzen whose strength is los cost many threads and in favor of kaby lake which has faster threads.
 
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So if I have the money to spend is this your recommendation then? Swap out my CPU and mobo?
 
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