45c normal for a basically idle stock 4690k?

Nexus Radical · Jul 18, 2017

Hey guys, I've been trying to overclock my i5-4690k and its getting really hot. @4.5Ghz i get about 78*c under full load but 58c idle. Which is kinda acceptable but I know people are doing a lot better than this, like a lot. However, Even stock speeds are hot too, with my CPU packages temps resting on 45c idle and 60c under load. Whats going on and is this normal, it isn't right?

Here are the details:

CPU: 4690k
Water Cooling: ID-cooling FrostFlow 240L
Mobo: MSI Z97 Gaming 5
PSU: XFX Pro 750W XXX Edition
Case: Kolink Punisher

Ambient Temp: 22c

So confused, its been like this for a while as long as i can remember but now i use this CPU in my main rig

This is stock btw:

Chugalug_ · Jul 18, 2017

Good temps, as long as it's not above 80c in regular use consistently you're set.

Nexus Radical · Jul 18, 2017

Chugalug_ :

So the temps (more concerningly stock temps) are actually pretty normal?

If so im actually kinda more relieved.

delaro · Jul 18, 2017

I never see above 45c idle/ 76c load @ 4.5ghz on a Evo I would think that your Frostflow would give better performance than a $30 Air Cooler.

Chugalug_ · Jul 18, 2017

Nexus Radical · Jul 18, 2017

delaro :

Yeah, I've been through 2 of the same FrostFlow coolers and both haven't given me much that i see else where in terms of temps. Not the only thing though, I had a h140-x that was giving me even worse results.

What could it be, could i really be this unlucky with what silicon i got?

Karadjgne · Jul 18, 2017

I7 3770k @4.9GHz / 1.32v, p95 26.6 small fft on silent mode kraken x61, ambient 22 with 2x 140mm intakes and 2x cooler 140mm fans as only exhaust and I see @32°C idle and 74°C under load, 55°C max gaming.

Your temps aren't good. Acceptable, yes, good no.
With that cooler and i5 at 4.5GHz,you should be running vcore about 1.2v maximum, you could even leave EIST on, so idle should be at 1600rpm and less than 0.9v (ish), so temps in the low 30's at that ambient, and full 100% cpu loads should be far less than my 4.9GHz temps, even with a 240mm vrs a 280mm cooler. I've seen ppl with a CM hyper212 not pull temps that high at 4.5 on a i5. My i5 only pulls 70 with a corsair h55 under p95.
58°C at idle is not acceptable by any means.
You have an issue somewhere, that's a fact. I'd start withaling sure the pump is tight and correctly mounted, if it wiggles too easily, you'll need to shim the screws behind the motherboard with nylon washers, which will allow for a tight fit. Aio pumps work better under higher cpu pressure.
Ambient is temp outside the case, that says nothing for what's inside the case. How's the airflow setup? Good intake and exhaust ratio? Or did you make a common mistake and mount the fans the wrong way, etc. Are fan curves set up?
When was the last time you cleaned the dust donuts from the radiator surface?

Just how much research have you put into learning about OC, specific to your bios/mobo? Or did you just up the multiplier and set a higher vcore to compensate? What is the vcore set at?

Chugalug_ · Jul 18, 2017

Overcomplicating it way too much again man.
Lmao.
<80c at high load = temps good
<80c at med-high load consistently = temps bad

Karadjgne · Jul 18, 2017

Idle temp of almost 60°C with a 22°C ambient and a 240mm cooler is bad. Stock coolers on that cpu do far better, barely reaching 40°C at idle. There's no over complicating anything. I guess you missed the part where op stated he had tried OC. That means he's had his hands in the bios and changed settings. For all you know, he bumped vcore to 1.5v, or tried the OC genie button, left everything the same, including the 105.7 BCLK, but did nothing more than drop the multiplier back to stock. Will that run? Sure, it'll also make for some funky stability, funky temps, etc.
80 or less for high loads? On that cooler, on that cpu, at that ambient? Wow dude, and you still have a job?

Chugalug_ · Jul 18, 2017

That's normal for the i5 4xxxk on overclocking to that frequency, the cooler isn't that fantastic, it performs about on par with a H7, perhaps a little better.
Not all 240mm AIOs are the same.
The Haswell cores produce more heat than Skylake too.
This is synthetic load we're talking about here, not gaming.
Also 1.2v maximum?? On an i5 4690k? Yeah no.
78c is to be expected, that's all that needs to be said, keep personal attacks away buddy, do some reading.
58c idle is a little high, true, i'd expect maybe low 50s, but it's not outside of margin of error.

Nexus Radical · Jul 18, 2017

Karadjgne :

So my skill and knowledge set is basic pretty much. I know which voltages to change and which ones to not. But i've really just been playing it safe and adjusting vcore. that i've tried to work it below 1.14 but safely it runs at about 1.144. This is all for the 4.5Ghz overclock I was mentioning. I've tried also re applying thermal paste even though each time it applies what looks to me as fine. Don't wanna try it took much though because im running out of Arctic MX-2

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I was thinking maybe i might need to delid it and reapply some of that thermal goodness. Other than that i cant think of much else. Its applied pretty good.

Edit: Oh god no OC genie. I've learn't first hand that it plays safe waaay too much. Also, I appreciate both of your contributions, Lets keep it friendly though. No need to get too hostile. <3

Chugalug_ · Jul 19, 2017

That's perfectly fine.

Enjoy.

delaro · Jul 19, 2017

Failed to mention the chip lottery with Intel it's not uncommon to see identical chips have a 8c difference under load using the same cooler. Sometimes you can gain a little by putting the fans in a Push Pull if you haven't already done so.

Chugalug_ · Jul 19, 2017

Karadjgne · Jul 19, 2017

Check the fitting of the pump. Sometime back motherboard manufacturers figured the could get away with a cheaper, thinner mobo. For most things, this wasn't an issue, even aircoolers still mounted just fine, however, many aios, especially the Corsair brand, but not limited to them, had issues. Aio pumps are far better with tight pressure on the lid and that 1mm difference was a killer as now the paste was acting more as an insulator and less as a conductor. Unfortunately, even swapping out coolers won't make a difference, they use the same mount. The easiest way to tighten a pump is with some 1mm nylon washers that can be found anywhere cheap. Add them behind the motherboard, it shortens the screws. Doesn't work for some mounts like the CoolIt designs (square pumps) but does work for the asetek (hockey puck) pumps.

Nexus Radical · Jul 20, 2017

Thanks guys. I figured since i got this chip before getting an after market cooler that i lost the silicon lottery pretty good but like this!?

ah well.

I'll be sure to do that Karadjgne with regards to putting down some washers with the mount on the back of my Mobo. Once I've done all that I'll go ahead and post back results.

Sorry for late reply as well, figured everyone ran off xD
Thanks Everyone!

Karadjgne · Jul 20, 2017

Nah, we very rarely run off, it's usually personal lives takin up time.

If you do it right (barely crack each screw little by little in an X pattern till all 4 are slightly loose), then add the washer 1 at a time fully and support the pump fully so it doesn't move or come off the cpu, then you'll not need a repaste. Just don't crank the screws down individually, use an X once snug only doing ¼ turn each screw until very tight. This'll make sure the paste gets a full, even squash.

45c normal for a basically idle stock 4690k?

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