Hello, i am building my first pc. I am choosing between ryzen 1500x and i5 7500 cpu or maybe if you suggest any other. I want to use my pc mostly for gaming at 1080p (bf1, gta 5, destiny 2) but streaming too (only game I will stream is LoL). I have to decide which gpu to get too. I was looking at gtx 1060, 970 and rx 470 since they are in my budget.
Which cpu is better
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The additions threads of the 1500X (4C/8T) would be beneficial in streaming, with the i5-7500 having the slight advantage in gaming due to it's IPC - although titles like BF1 can take advantage of the added C/T.
The difference in price between the 1500X and Ryzen5 1600 is usually only ~$20 and, although that's a lower base clock speed (3.2GHz), I honestly feel that's the minimum Ryzen chip that should be considered by most users. It also bumps you to 6C/12T, again, beneficial in streaming.
Ryzen chips really should be overclocked though, so that's a consideration. If you're comfortable with overclocking, go Ryzen.
Personally, I'd look to a Ryzen 1600 with a minor OC (maybe 3.8GHz) and a 6GB GTX 1060 as a very solid 1080p gaming/streaming build.
The difference in price between the 1500X and Ryzen5 1600 is usually only ~$20 and, although that's a lower base clock speed (3.2GHz), I honestly feel that's the minimum Ryzen chip that should be considered by most users. It also bumps you to 6C/12T, again, beneficial in streaming.
Ryzen chips really should be overclocked though, so that's a consideration. If you're comfortable with overclocking, go Ryzen.
Personally, I'd look to a Ryzen 1600 with a minor OC (maybe 3.8GHz) and a 6GB GTX 1060 as a very solid 1080p gaming/streaming build.
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I would recommend the Ryzen 1600, It's the same price as the i5 but with 6 cores, 12 threads. It performs amazing in games and is a very strong CPU for streaming/workloads
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I have the Ryzen 5 1600, It benefits from a light overclock to 3.7 which is easily obtainable on the stock Wraith cooler and any decent B350 board.
I've noticed that after 3.7ghz the extra heat + voltage to performance seems to drop off .
also enabling windows performance power plan gave me 10% performance increase on benchmarks
I've noticed that after 3.7ghz the extra heat + voltage to performance seems to drop off .
also enabling windows performance power plan gave me 10% performance increase on benchmarks
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I'd suggest waiting and optiong for a 2x8GB kit initially. Preferrably 3000MHz+ speed.
Mixing & maching RAM modules can be problematic (even buying the same model of RAM) and, given AMDs memory speed/timing issues, it would just muddy the water even more. Consider Ryzen benefits from fast RAm, you don't want to end up adding more in future and limiting yourself to JEDEC standards 2133MHz (potentially).
The difference between a 2x4GB kit and a 2x8GB kit is about ~$50 ($75 vs $125) when you're looking at those kind of speeds.
Mixing & maching RAM modules can be problematic (even buying the same model of RAM) and, given AMDs memory speed/timing issues, it would just muddy the water even more. Consider Ryzen benefits from fast RAm, you don't want to end up adding more in future and limiting yourself to JEDEC standards 2133MHz (potentially).
The difference between a 2x4GB kit and a 2x8GB kit is about ~$50 ($75 vs $125) when you're looking at those kind of speeds.
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No, I wouldn't say it's 'good' at all.
What you may well end up doing is run at 3200MHz now and then when you buy your second (identical, in theory) module and drop it in; then don't "play nice" and you then have to run at a lower speed for your separate modules to work todether.
It's a bit of a lottery, and there's no guarantee it wont just "work", but I'd highly, highly recommend you buy the RAM you need together in a matching kit.
What you may well end up doing is run at 3200MHz now and then when you buy your second (identical, in theory) module and drop it in; then don't "play nice" and you then have to run at a lower speed for your separate modules to work todether.
It's a bit of a lottery, and there's no guarantee it wont just "work", but I'd highly, highly recommend you buy the RAM you need together in a matching kit.
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Yes you should avoid the 4gb sticks. It would be best to by 2X8gb sticks as 16gb or above in dual channel seems to work best with Ryzen.
Check the RAM compatibility list from the motherboard manufacturer. I personally am using Corsair Vengeance LPX this seems to be widely compatible.
I would be surprised if you have issues adding the second 8gb at a later date, so long as it is the same exact brand, type and speed although buying as a kit always ensures they have been tested and using at least 16gb is highly recommended for stability
Check the RAM compatibility list from the motherboard manufacturer. I personally am using Corsair Vengeance LPX this seems to be widely compatible.
I would be surprised if you have issues adding the second 8gb at a later date, so long as it is the same exact brand, type and speed although buying as a kit always ensures they have been tested and using at least 16gb is highly recommended for stability
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Officially the CPU supports 2666MHz natively with anything higher being deemed an Overclock (ultimately, that's what it is), but your BIOS and the XMP profile being enabled will essentially "auto-overclock" to the higher speeds. (alternative names apply, depending on the vendor as XMP is technically Intel. A-XMP is one that used)
I dont really understand that stuff but I hope its nothing hard to do. And for the streaming is 7mbps upload and 15mbps download enough? I used to have 20 upload and 30 download but I dont know what happened, I will just contact them to see the problem.
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It's not hard. You enter the BIOS, select it and "enable profile #1" (generally, some have more than 1 profile) and it increases your RAM speed.
As for streaming, upload is what matters most (and ping for gaming). And you can stream on almost anything (like .5MBps).... but it's not going to be pretty.
The generally accepted minimum for game steaming is 3MBps.... and, provided your 7MBps is fairly consistent, you should be totally fine.
As for streaming, upload is what matters most (and ping for gaming). And you can stream on almost anything (like .5MBps).... but it's not going to be pretty.
The generally accepted minimum for game steaming is 3MBps.... and, provided your 7MBps is fairly consistent, you should be totally fine.
Thanks, you helped a lot but unfortunately my budget is lower than I expected. I was now looking at 2 options: G4560 with 1060 6gb and upgrade cpu next year probably but im afraid of bottleneck and that its not good for streaming. The other option is ryzen but with 1050 ti or used gtx 970. I can upgrade cpu or gpu next year, depends on what will I need. If ryzen 1600 is very good I guess I will go with that and 1050ti/970
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I would opt for the Ryzen 1600 with a used 970.
A strong CPU foundation will be more beneficial in streaming, with a 970 being a strong 1080p @ 60FPS (high-Ultra) card.
The 1050TI on the other hard is probably more of a 60FPS @ medium kind of card........Depending on the title , of course.
A strong CPU foundation will be more beneficial in streaming, with a 970 being a strong 1080p @ 60FPS (high-Ultra) card.
The 1050TI on the other hard is probably more of a 60FPS @ medium kind of card........Depending on the title , of course.
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