Cheapest GPU(s) to get me 1440p 144hz?

DankMemes16

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These are my PC specs, all purchased: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WpnPBP


I'd like my monitor to be 27", 1440p, 144hz, and have G-sync or freesync depending on the gpu. I'm looking at these 2:


G-sync: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Acer-27-Widescreen-LCD-Monitor-Display-WQHD-2560-x-1440-1-ms-XB271HU-abmiprz-/262954851708?hash=item3d39549d7c:g:UYgAAOSw-JdZAPXl

Freesync: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009769&cm_re=xg270hu-_-24-009-769-_-Product


I have $900 to spend on the GPU and monitor. My mobo is capable of crossfire and SLI, so maybe I could buy two of the weaker AMD GPUs and save some money by getting the freesync monitor? If I do that, would I need to buy any extra parts? This is my first PC build so keep things simple please, lol. Thanks.
 
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1. First you need to understand that Freesync and G-Sync are in no way comparable technologies.

Freesync provides a 'soft' solution which might be called V-Sync on steroids .... it's range of significant impact is from 40 fps - 70 fps. There are still advantages to be gained above 70 fps, but the impact becomes more marginal the higher that number goes.

G-sync provides a 'soft' solution which also might be called V-Sync on steroids .... it's range of significant impact is from 30 fps - 70 fps. There are still advantages to be gained above 70 fps, but the impact becomes more marginal the higher that number goes. Where G-Sync differs however is in that it includes a hardware component which adds ULMB, a motion blur reduction...
As one who has a 60Hz 1440p monitor driven by a GTX 1080ti (formerly had SLI 970s), I would not recommend a multiple GPU solution. Both SLI and Crossfire are slowly dying. Game coders are not supporting multi-GPUs like they used to anymore. And when they do, it's poor scaling.

With that said, at minimum a factory overclocked 1070 would not get you over 100FPS in most of today's games at 1440p. You'd be better off with a 1080Ti but that's out of your budget. Currently GTX 1070s are way overpriced into near GTX 1080 territory (when you can find one in stock). Currently a GTX 1080 is the best buy for the dollar thanks to cryptocurrency miners.
 

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If you go with the G-Sync monitor, try and get a GTX 1080 if you can fit it in your budget. Depending on the games you play you may be able to get by with a GTX 1070, or some games may need a 1080ti to hit 1440p@144fps
 

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I would not recommend crossfire or sli, many modern games either don't support it at all or very poorly support it and it looks like that trend is only going to continue.

A GTX 1080 would be minimum in my opinion if you actually want to get close to 144fps max settings in modern demanding games at 1440p. Or the vega equivalent to the 1080 when vega releases.

Also a lot of those refurbished and used 144hz 1440p IPS panels are monitors people sent back due to backlight bleed and IPS glow issues. These newer 144hz 1440p IPS panels seem to be plagued with backlight bleed issues, so that is something to consider. I own the ASUS PG279Q which uses the same panel as that acer you picked out, I had to return my first sample due to severe backlight bleed and my replacement still had a bit but it was much better so I just kept it.

 

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Thanks for the fast replies. So if I get a 1080, is it worth it to spend the extra $40 (I have a $10 off coupon on Newegg) to get G-sync? Does it make a noticeable difference?
 
^^I returned two ASUS 1440p monitors. They have poor quality control. One had severe backlight bleeding, the other had four dead pixels. Fortunately Fry's Electronics has a liberal return policy. I ordered a Dell which costed about $150 more but have never regretted it.
 

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Depends on the game and the framerate you can run said game at. I can run witcher 3 between 60-70fps and to be honest I cant tell the difference between gsync on or off (no vsync of course), it feels smooth and I dont get any noticeable tearing. However in GTA V which I can run at around 100fps I get tons of tearing without gsync and no vsync. I would pay 40 more dollars for gsync, that's not really that bad. When you are paying 100-150 dollars more for a monitor just to have gsync, that when I would say it might not be worth it.
 

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With IPS monitors, it is not "Backlight Bleed" it actually called "IPS Glow" which is something that occurs with almost all IPS monitors. Here is a video explaining the differences.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vecsubZrpfs
 

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Its not just asus it's anything that uses the 1440p 144hz AU Optronics panel, which is every 1440p 144hz IPS panel as far as I am aware. But yes its quite bad unless you happen to get lucky enough to get one with no issues.
 

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The ones I'm looking at are Acer.


Thanks for all the help anyone. I'll probably go with the 1080 and g-sync monitor and go work some overtime.
 

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Backlight bleed and IPS glow are two different things.

http://www.144hzmonitors.com/knowledge-base/ips-glow-backlight-bleed-and-dead-pixels-explained/
 

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It does not matter if its an acer, it uses the same AU Optronics panel as the asus 1440p 144hz ips panels.
 
1. First you need to understand that Freesync and G-Sync are in no way comparable technologies.

Freesync provides a 'soft' solution which might be called V-Sync on steroids .... it's range of significant impact is from 40 fps - 70 fps. There are still advantages to be gained above 70 fps, but the impact becomes more marginal the higher that number goes.

G-sync provides a 'soft' solution which also might be called V-Sync on steroids .... it's range of significant impact is from 30 fps - 70 fps. There are still advantages to be gained above 70 fps, but the impact becomes more marginal the higher that number goes. Where G-Sync differs however is in that it includes a hardware component which adds ULMB, a motion blur reduction technology which strobes the backlight to eliminate motion blur. Once you get past 70 fps, many users will turn off G-Sync and use ULMB.

2. The best gaming experience available today comes on the AU Optronics 165 Hz IPS panels used by Acer and Asus

Acer - XB271HU bmiprz is $700
Asus - PG279Q ROG Swift is $750

In TN, choices would be

Asus - ROG SWIFT PG278QR for $650
Acer - Predator XB1 -for $600

If ya go Freesync, then the Acer XG270HU can be had for $400

Below that ... frankly I wouldn't bother

For a list of high refresh rate gaming monitors, G-Sync monitors, Freesync monitors and monitors w/ Motion Blur reduction ....

http://www.blurbusters.com/faq/120hz-monitors/

When I play on my son's box (Acer Predator 1440p IPS), I turn off G-Sync and use ULMB when fps is above 70.

3. The entry point for high refresh rate gaming is the 1070. AMD has "no horse in the race" against the 1060, 1070, 1080 and 1080 Ti. The 1070 delivers 42 (Crysis 3) to 147 fps in techpowerup's 16 game test suite.

5. The1080 Ti was tested with a new 22 game test suite and there the rank as follows @ 1440p:

1080 Ti - 95 (28% faster than 1080)
1080 - 74 (25% faster than 1070)
1070 - 59

It wa spretty hard to make a case for the 1080 until recently as, if you could justify the cost increase for the 1080, it was even easier to justify going to 1080 Ti. But prices have changed a bit since the recent mining fad and the 1080 and 1080 Ti have about the same fps per dollar.

6. SLI has long been a thorn in nVidia's side crippling sales of their more profitable cards as two mid-range cards were always cheaper and substantially faster than the top tier card and this held up thru the 9xx series. With 10xx series, things have changed:

a) CPU performance boosts generation to generation have run from immeasurable to 5% for 5 generations whereby GPU increases have been as great as 50% (or more). In short, GPU advancements are far outpacing CPU advancements.

b) With no competition at the high end from AMD, it is just not in nVidia's interests to have great SLI performance. They'd rather sell one 1080 Ti than two 1070s as its more profitable and has half the support and warranty costs. If SLI w/ 10xx series was to jump 50% overnight, the only card sales which would be negatively impacted would be the 1080 / 1080 Ti.

c) Right now SLIs impact is

18% at 1080p
30% at 1440p
50% at 2160p

Those numbers really don't make sense unless the intent is to push folks away from SLI except when there's no alternative choice available. And at 2160p no single card can push the new AU Oprtonics 144 hz IPS panels expected to drop next month.

In summary, until AMD has a card that in CF, can beat the 1070 and 1080 for less money, nVidia would be rather stoopid to improve SLI performance at 1080p and 1440p.

7. Every selection is always a tradeoff ... to get the crisp colors, uniformity of IPS at response and lag times suitable for gaming, its going to cost $700. Have built boxes w/ the Predator, and played on other Asus / Acer screens and the XB271HU remains the best gaming experience. IPS glow has always been "a thing" associated with IPS panels. I first noticed in with Diablo ... it was most noticeable when exploring caves as when getting in proximity to enemy parties, i had trouble seeing their torchight as they approached whereby on the TN panels, the player had 'advance warning" as you could see that well before they came into aggro range.

Backlight Bleed and IPS Glow are two very different phenomenon and should not be confused with one another. Good reading here:

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/features.htm

8. While many of these monitors are using AU Optonics panels,they are not all using the same exact panel

The Acer XB271HU - M270DANO2.6
The Asus PG279Q - M270Q008

Acer has:
10 bit depth (8 bits + FRC)
1,073,741,824 colors

Asus has:
8 bit depth
16,777,216 colors




 
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