Looking at the AMD Threadripper units - General questions

liberty610 · Aug 3, 2017

Hey guys,

I am currently running a fairly new system (built it last November). I have the Intel 6800k CPU with a Corsair Corsair Hydro Series H115i cooler. Here is my current entire setup via PC Parts Picker:

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/liberty610/saved/#view=G48RsY

I have started reading up on the AMD Threadripper, and I am VERY interested in the AMD RYZEN Threadripper 1950X 1(6-Core / 32 Threads). I have a beautiful board picked out for it as well.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113447&cm_re=AMD_Ryzen-_-19-113-447-_-Product

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813145030&cm_re=x399-Gaming_7-_-13-145-030-_-Product

My question is, what is the cooler ordeal for these bigger Threadripper CPUs? I just bought that Corasir luquid cooler, and I really don't wanna shelf out for another cooler. But I know the threadripper CPUs are way bigger. Not sure if Corsair is releasing an upgrade for this cooler for it or not....

Any thoughts?

feelinfroggy777 · Aug 3, 2017

I cant imagine the corsair h115i would fit on threadripper. An attachment wont work because the plate is not big enough. I believe that a new cooling line will need to be rolled out for threadripper.

What applications are you using to need the 1950x? You have a very good processor and very few applications will use 16 cores. The extra PCIe lanes are nice, but unless you are running sli and have multiple NVMe drives they are really not needed.

Gam3r01 · Aug 3, 2017

Wait for official launch and see whats available, no point in speculating.

liberty610 · Aug 3, 2017

feelinfroggy777 :

I do some video editing and live streaming content. I am currently using Vegas Pro 14 and plan on jumping to 15 when it is released this month. So faster rendering times with Vegas and even Handbgreak would be thrilling.

The only other CPU upgrades my board will take are the 6960 I believe which is 10 core/20 threads, but the chip along is more then a threadripper and a new motherboard combined. I would probably need a new cooler to match. The only other chip my board will take is a xion 22core but I'm not spending $2500.00 on one cpu....

Finstar · Aug 3, 2017

My local Store is saying that AMD confirmed h115i to be one of the few coolers that would fit threadripper.
Link: https://www.jimms.fi/en/Product/Show/132427/yd195xa8aewof/amd-ryzen-threadripper-1950x-tr4-3-4ghz-40mb-16-core
It's in Finnish but i you can see it on the bottom without much translations.

feelinfroggy777 · Aug 3, 2017

liberty610 :

Your talking about the i7 6950, dont buy it. It is way over priced. The 6800, 6850, and 6900 fit your board. With Ryzen out, they are overpriced. I dont think handbrake will scale to all those cores. But dont get me wrong, Threadripper sounds like a very nice chip and is a really good price and I cant wait to see the reviews. Just dont expect to get the gaming performance that you get from your 6800. You will get worse gaming performance from Threadripper.

Solarion · Aug 4, 2017

H115i will fit threadripper right out of the gate and you don't have to translate anything to verify. Get it right here from the horses mouth:

https://www.amd.com/en/thermal-solutions-threadripper

AMD wisely includes an Asetek adapter with the processor which adapts a bunch of AIO solutions. Good luck and let us know how your build goes.

liberty610 · Aug 4, 2017

Thanks for the replies guys.

I did see that my cooler is supported on AMD's site after I posted this last night.

And Feelin' Froggy, why would I see a decrease in gaming performance with Threadripper? I know that games won't utilize the entire 16 cores, but why would I see a decrease with it? And from what I have seen on every other higehr CPU I have, Handbrake uses 100% of all the cores when rendering, and they have planned updates to push the new chips coming out with higher core counts I guess?

I am wondering if I should take the plunge on this. I have a little less then a week before the pre-order ships. But I have been waiting for a better decently priced CPU like this for a really long time now. Being a Video editor, I am super stoked about it.

Finstar · Aug 4, 2017

liberty610 :

The 1950x is basically 2 Ryzen 7s put together and therefore performs like 2 Ryzen 7s put together. The gaming performance will also be similar to Ryzen 7 cpus if not better on games optimized for over 8 cores.
I've done the math, The 1950x will be the most powerful HEDT cpu for quite a while since the Intel 18 core won't be able to match it's single core speed (really hurts gaming performance).
It still is a lot of money and you're the one who calls it though.

feelinfroggy777 · Aug 4, 2017

Games like chips with very fast single threaded performance. This is why the 7700k is widely recognized as the best gaming chip on the market because it has great single threaded performance.

Threadripper's single threaded performance will not be as good as your 6800. It has too many cores to get the clock speeds high enough without having a crazy TDP. But for multi threaded applications, Threadripper will be a beast if it is on par with Ryzen.

Like I said, I don't think handbrake will scale with 16 cores, but it may. Remember, there has never been a consumer grade 16 core chip. Only enterprise servers and workstations had access to a chip this size. So consumer applications will e limited.

liberty610 · Aug 4, 2017

feelinfroggy777 :

Thanks again for the reply Friggy. I am not sure what to do on this. I wanna be able to order a Threadripper so I have one. So I don't wanna cancel my pre-order. But if it won't hold a good benchtest for the applications and task i wanna use it for, I don't wanna be stuck with it.

I am kinda hoping that I will see bench numbers the day it's released so I can decide to keep it or ship it back. From what I have gathered, a lot of YouTuber guys like Jay, Linus, Paul, ect all have thier Threadripper chips already, but can't release any benchmark numbers until it officially releases....

liberty610 · Aug 4, 2017

Finstar :

I just saw your reply to this... Thanks for the input!

I have good wiggle room as far as budget goes, but I don't want to buy a $1400.00 6950k 10 core when I can look at the threadripper AND a new motherboard for it with more bells and whistles then my current one for almost $200 cheaper. It just doesn't make sense to do that. So I am haevily leaning towards threadripper, but I am also, as I stated in my last reply to Froggy a little leary about the bench numbers. AMD seems to be pulling out all the stops to come back swinging in the market place, so I am hoping they deliver on this one.

feelinfroggy777 · Aug 4, 2017

Your not going to have a problem getting threadripper. I would wait till I saw the reviews.

Additionally, I can promise you this, Threadripper will not beat the Intel lineup in single core performance. The 18 core Intel chip does have a low base clock of 2.8ghz, but the boost 2.0 clock is 4.2ghz and and boost 3.0 is 4.4ghz. That 4.4 is for one or two cores (single threaded workloads). Threadripper will not clock above 4.1 period.

liberty610 · Aug 5, 2017

feelinfroggy777 :

Thanks again Froggy. I was poking around online and found some early bench tests, I know that it is still very early and these numbers are to be taken with a grain of salt as AMD and motherboard companies will find ways to tweek and improve performance, but there are some numbers coming in....

https://hothardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-threadripper-1950x-16-core-visits-geekbench

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-threadripper-1950x-benchmarks/

Solarion · Aug 6, 2017

feelinfroggy777 :

You taking bets on that?

Don't see how you can be so certain when XFR frequency on all threadripper chips is 4.2Ghz. Not to mention the over verified 5.1Ghz run managed on LN2. Pretty sure you're wrong, but we'll see soon enough.

BTW the rumored base clock on the 18 core 7980XE is 2.6Ghz and not 2.8Ghz. So yeah that's pretty ugly for a $2k processor.

http://wccftech.com/intel-core-i9-7980xe-flagship-cpu-18-october-launch/

feelinfroggy777 · Aug 6, 2017

Solarion :

XFR only works in certain circumstances when conditions warrant. I am talking about stable overclocks for daily use. Not running some bench using LN2 cooling. This guy is gaming and doing video editing, not in overclocking competitions.

Wccftech.com is the garbage can of tech news, so be caeful where you get your news unless you just like to support click bait. If you want to argue AMD vs Intel, go there.

Core for core, AMD's new lineup cannot beat Intel. Price vs performance, AMD wins hands down. Ryzen has very good chips, but the are still behind Intel even if not by much. That is what the majority of reviews and benchmark show.

Furthermore,I hope your right and threadripper beats intel's 7700k in gaming and doubles the 6900 in multithreaded performance. I would definitely buy it. But let's wait till the NDA is lifted and see some reviews.

Solarion · Aug 6, 2017

Sorry, "Threadripper will not clock above 4.1 period." seemed rather definitive. Just curious why you seemed so certain that would be the case. Zeppelin dies were binned and the best ones saved for Threadripper & Epyc. There are also process improvements to consider. Given that the stated boost frequency for all three announced threadripper chips is 4Ghz and XFR can reach up to 4.2Ghz, I don't see how you can be comfortable making such a bold statement.

Not interested in arguing about anything, but the only information I've seen about x7980XE's base clock is that it will be 2.6Ghz. If you have information to the contrary, then please feel free to share a source. Perhaps you just mistook it for the same as the x7960's rumored base clock?

madmatt30 · Aug 6, 2017

^ as said all conjecture.
I don't expect threadripper to have single core performance to beat an i7 7700k, vice versa I don't expect any high core count i7/i9's either .
The 6950x generally hit a wall at 4.2/4.3ghz & to get there takes a huge voltage increase.

As the core count on the new i9's increases the base clock drops dramatically - there's a reason behind that, because Intel can't sell you a chip with higher clocks that requires excessive voltage at stock.

Straight off the bat at stock the threadripper core count to clock ratio immediately looks more impressive.

& that's without even comparing prices .

liberty610 · Aug 6, 2017

Thanks for all the replies guys. I didn't want to start the old AMD vs Intel argument either. I am a fan of whatever is going to get me the best performance for what I can budget with. I have ran AMD and Intel in my systems, it just depends on what was budget/performance ready at the time.

I COULD go with the 6950x, but as I stated, it just doesn't make sense to spend that much on the chip when I can get the Threadripper AND a high end board for less. I am honestly learning more about the core counts and performances as we go along here. I knew certain apps and tasks didn't utilize certain core counts, but never really learned the ins and outs of them. So thank you for all the information replies.

I was unaware about the click bait of that website, but I did notice the geeks fighting over the red vs blue topic. I am not interested in that. I will say though, I am pulling for AMD to keep up the swinging to the Intel nut sack, because in the end, we the consumers win. It forces Intel to drive it's prices down, gets more people into the desktop gaming seats, and it is just a win win for everyone.

I have an interested buyer in my current Intel board and 6800K for a gaming build for a family member. So I have some cash dropping back to me if I decide to do the thread ripper build, which will help out a lot. But I don't wanna dump off my current board and CPU unless I know the threadripper ordeal will be stable and worth it. Hence why I am kind of eager to get some real numbers on the performance of it.

Solarion · Aug 6, 2017

madmatt30 :

We know threadripper's stats, they're not conjecture, they're right from AMD/Dell/Alienware. LTT even has a mini-review of a 1950x equipped alienware rig with a few benchies thrown in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=decz1N9YpOw&t=319s

The 7980xe stuff is clearly speculative as that was likely extrapolated from info Intel has released regarding the upcoming 7920x and comparing it to current Xeon products. Doubtless there's some guess work there so yeah that should be taken with salt.

liberty610 :

Agree completely. We need at least two companies duking it out to keep prices somewhat reasonable and innovation alive. I'm in the same boat you are, trying to sort out what's what and make good upgrade decisions. Particularly important as I only do major system upgrades every 5yrs or so.

feelinfroggy777 · Aug 6, 2017

Solarion :

The 4.1ghz is based on the Ryzen chips performance. But if you think that 8 core chips will clock to 4.1 and 16 core chips will clock higher then I hope your right, because I will be all over it. But the past would tell us that your wrong.

Celdronis · Aug 6, 2017

feelinfroggy777 :

Solarion :

Really ? I dont think wccftech is the garbage can , and I don't care to argue about intel vs AMD.Just how do you know about the single core performance ? or the top 4.1ghz top for THREADRIPPER?

feelinfroggy777 · Aug 7, 2017

Celdronis :

feelinfroggy777 :

As I said before, Ryzen is the only chip that we have to compare to Threadripper. I would expect a top end of 4.1ghz since this is the peak for Ryzen. By the way, 4.1 would be amazing for a 16 core chip, so I think that is a complement.

When you consider that the number of cores does not change the max clock of Ryzen. After the R7 came out, I thought that the R5's would hit higher clocks because of fewer cores. I was wrong, the R5 hits a wall at 4.1ghz. Why? I think the architecture probably needs optimization and would expect Zen 2 to clock higher.

As for the single core performance, refer back to the single core performance of Ryzen since Ryzen is all we have to go by with the zen architecture. I dont think its crazy to expect similar results. The Intel offerings beat the Ryzen offerings in single core performance. That is not a "shot" at AMD or a "One-up" for Intel, it is just reading a chart. Games like single core performance, the HEDTs are built for multicore performance. Single core performance is not as important for servers and workstations (aka threadripper and epyc)

I think some people here have missed the point, threadripper is not a gaming chip. If it is a gaming chip, then why are none of the HEDT lineup listed on the best GPUs for gaming? If I were considering Threadripper and I paid $1k for the chip and my performance went down in some games I would be disappointed. Likewise if I were considering the Skylake X lineup and saw the temperatures after spending $1k I would be very disappointed. This is why I recommend reading the reviews, as stated earlier, so consumers can make informed decisions.

Oh, and sorry if I offended the good patrons of wccftech.com. This was not the first time someone has referred to that site as garbage and they have survived it, so I am sure they will survive me saying it is garbage as well. After all, I am just some guy on the internet.

Solarion · Aug 7, 2017

You may want to lighten up on wccftech, just a bit. They were spot on with their speculation in this case. The 7980XE will in fact have a base clock of only 2.6Ghz. I can't imagine people will be lining up to buy that thing for $2k when it seems unlikely to have much of an advantage on the competition's flagship HEDT chip that costs half as much. At any rate it's going to be an interesting next few months in the peecee industry.

https://newsroom.intel.com/news/intel-unveils-full-intel-core-x-series-processor-family-specs-14-18-core-processors-available-starting-september/

liberty610 · Aug 11, 2017

Figured I would stop by and update you guys on my Threadripper planning.

I had the budget and wiggle room to get a Threadripper setup, so I went ahead and pre-ordered the 1950x and the Gigabyte Aorus X399 Gaming 7 board. After watching New Egg's live video with Asus, I would have loved to have gotten the Zeinith board from them, but I parted ways with Gigabyte one time recently and it bit me in the bum with 2 motherboards needing replace. Granted, the board was from MSI, and in my experience, thier boards are not the best. I know Asus has a solid rep, and their Zenith board looks really awesome, but the Gigabyte board is right behind it in features for $200 less.

Amazon.com was the option i took for the pre-order, and they dropped the ball. I woke up yesterday morning to see a 'temporarily out of stock' message on both my board, and the 1950x. Luckily, Newegg was in stock and the board and CPU should be here today.

I watched some YouTube videos and read some articles on Threadripper since they where able to release their benchmark tests, and I am excited to say the least. I just hope my cooler/thermal paste install goes smoothly on that massive chip.

Does anyone have any suggestions on a program to use to 'burn in' the cpu? Heat it up when it boots to get the paste to spread well? I usually just use the stress tester in CPU-Z for about 15 to 20 mins and keep an eye on temps....

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