High pitch noise/scratching inside the PC near CPU and RAM (coil whine?) only while gaming, no significant loss in performance

Nine_Kyu

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Dear people of Tom´s Hardware, I build my pc 3 roughly 3 months ago, but somehow there is a strange high pitch noise, something like a whining or scratching near the CPU and RAM. About a week ago I installed a new CPU cooler, so maybe I damaged something on the Motherboard. Before the installation, there was no noise (besides the quite loud intel stock cooler fan). While disassambling and rebuilding, I might damaged something while using a magnetic screwdriver (I double checked and it was safe to use inside a pc, but wanted to let you know)

Strange things that I found out:
-I don´t think that it is GPU coil whine, because it even occurs if the blades are not spinning.
-I was looking around for something loose that could be the origin, but when I pressed a little bit on one of the RAM-Sticks, the pc froze.
-The noise occurs at strange times in games, it´s not constant, for example: the witcher 3 - while booting, nothing - main menu, nothing - ingame, noise - but the second I tab out, nothing.
-I´m not sure if it has something to do with the load itself, I tried Osu, a rhythem-game with requiered specs so low, it could be run on the intel grafics. But also, no sound in the boot process, nothing in the mainscreen, not in the song-selection, just in die actual game.
-There is no noise in Adobe Photoshop, wanted to try rather CPU heavy applications.
-Another strange thing is, the performance dosn´t seem to suffer, but the sound is so [im not sure about an adjectiv], I can hear it from the other side of my room, which is about 5m or 16,4ft

PC SPECS:
CPU: Intel i5 7500 @3,5ghz (not oc´d)
CPU-Cooler: Bequiet pure rock slim
GPU: Asus GTX 1060 Strix OC (not manually oc´d)
MOBO: Gigabyte GA-B250M-DS3H
RAM: 8GB Crucial Ballistix Sport DDR4 2400mhz
PSU: Bequiet System Power 8 500w
Case: Corsair Spec Alpha
Casefans: Bequiet Pure Wings 2

If somebody could help me, or lead me into the right diretion, that would be great.

Thanks in advance.

Noise: https://youtu.be/s4UtuGWaxEE
 
Solution
1) Coil whine has nothing to do with fans. It is resonance of electric circuits that occur within the audible human range of sufficient strength that we hear them.

They can occur in any circuit though only ones with high frequencies. Possibly the CPU voltage regulators (VRMs) if it's not the graphics card.

2) RAM stick caused freezing?
That suggest your RAM stick is either not properly inserted, or the motherboard is damaged. It's easy to confirm if the stick is properly inserted or not.

That sounds like a SEPARATE issue to me though it needs to be looked at for sure.

3) run Prime95 to stress the CPU.
The graphics card won't be stressed so if the coil whine occurs it's likely the motherboard causing it.

4) Note that COIL WHINE, especially for graphics cards varies by the type of load. So it's hard to confirm other than swapping the video card.

*If you are running say 80FPS average, try capping with VSYNC (if 60Hz monitor) or otherwise cap below the average FPS you observe to put less stress when you are hearing coil whine. It may go away as you've lowered the frequency of the components.
 

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1. I´m not sure what you mean but I tied unplugging the mouse, it didn´t help.
2. It didn´t.
3. It comes even when the GPU fans are not spinning.

Thank you anyway :)
 

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1. Oh right, I forgot, but in my head whining appears something fan related.
2. I have checked because I was worried, it is now correctly inserted, but I wont be suprised if the motherboard is damaged. Is there a way I can find out if it is damaged?
3. I´ll try that right now
4. Should I try to take the card out, and run... can I even test games without a GPU?

You seem to be very well educated in this area, thanks for your input. :)
 


1. sure
2. First, I'm not clear if you now reseated the memory stick or if there's still a loose connection issue. Assuming it's NOT an issue now then the answer is that there's generally no OBVIOUS way to know if the motherboard is defective other than having problems that indicate it's the motherboard, troubleshooting (i.e. swapping parts) but the ONLY way to be certain is to swap the motherboard.

Usually if you DAMAGE the motherboard it's pretty obvious. There's no way i can think of again that you can damage the motherboard in a way that would cause coil whine.

3.
4. Uh, not sure what taking it out would accomplish. If it's a CPU related issue (i.e. VRM's) on the motherboard then a number of CPU-specific tests like Prime95 should cause the noise to occur, though again too high or too low of a load might not trigger it.

Though in P95 you can choose the number of threads to stress so try it with one, two, three and four to see if that triggers anything.

If you run games using the iGPU (inside the i5-7500) that is likely to produce a GPU bottleneck, thus load the CPU less so it's not a very useful test.

Putting that graphics card in a different system would be the best way to test, but it sounds almost CERTAIN that it's coil whine on the graphics card.

OTHER:
1) There are a few ways to address coil whine, though they may not help or may just SHIFT the coil whine to a different time:
a) change the game settings such as anti-aliasing, or
b) put an FPS cap to reduce stress on GPU (and CPU). If your monitor is 60FPS and you turn VSYNC OFF first, then tweak settings so you are on average ABOVE 60FPS, then when you turn on VSYNC it caps to 60FPS thus reducing the load on the circuits.

You can set FPS (such as NVinspector) without VSYNC. You get screen tearing but there's less lag/sluggishness.

c) underclock GPU and memory (VRAM). Try running at 80% for both just as a TEMPORARY test.

d) POSSIBLY replacing the PSU can help as it may deliver more stable voltage. If it's related to VRM's (which graphics cards have as well) it may help. No idea frankly, but in THEORY it could help.

2) Asus may actually replace the card if it's deemed to have excessive coil whine. You can contact Tech Support at least and query "can I RMA this card if coil whine is excessive?" and see what they say at least.

3) You can FIND the noise usually by rolling up some paper or use a long paper towel tube to use like a stethoscope and CAREFULLY point to different parts of the system to see where it's noisiest.
 
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Nine_Kyu

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Thank you for your very detailed input, I´ll try what you told me.
I will try contacting Asus, if they can help me or test the card.
I tried the paperroll-trick an the sound comes from the area where the GPU connects to the PCI-e slot, but CPU (and cooler) and RAM are also located there.