What the heck is the difference between Pentium G4560 and Ryzen 1600?

dragonentity · Aug 7, 2017

I am cheap gamer. I played Skyrim (with mods), Reckoning, Crysis, Mass Effect... on Sony Vaio laptop with ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 and I enjoyed them with full screen (1920x1080) and also I am now on a Fujitsu laptop with Intel HD Graphics 5500, playing Dragon Age; Inquisition, Berseria... Sure, they are not on ultra settings, but it is enjoyable.

Now, I want to build my first desktop. I searched and they say that Ryzen 1600 is the best for bangs and bucks, but then I have seen videos where people play GTAV, BF1... with G4560 and Nvidia 1050/50ti/60/70 combo on high/ultra settings. They also say that 1050 ti/60 where the cpu bottlenecks, in other words, G4560 is not a good combo with 1070/80. Now, I am confused.

I know that Ryzen 1600 has 6 cores/12 threads; G4560 gags 2 cores/4 threads. And also, all of those videos, CPU usage percentage for G4560 is at 70-100 range. Does this mean for Ryzen 1600 usage very less; such as CPU usage 25-50% plus background apps can run properly?
Also, I read that 2400mhz RAM is better for G4560 to harness its potential.

The reason I am asking; because I want to play also PS2 video games as emulated, and I can throw more money on a good video card, and I can buy a PS4 as a side-kick.

Thanks for answers.

RobCrezz · Aug 7, 2017

Basically, for games and other software going forward, having the extra cores and threads of the 1600 will be useful and give better performance in some cases.

For most of the stuff you list, very little performance difference to be honest.

JUICEhunter · Aug 7, 2017

You have a pretty good grasp on things, a g4560 will run up to a 1060 with minimal CPU bottleneck and you need a 1600 or 7700k to get more fps out of a 1070 and up.

Don't worry until CPU usage is full with low GPU usage which means huge CPU bottleneck.

If you're going for 1080p 60hz/fps an OC'd 1200/OC'd 1060 will produce the max the 1060 can do. 1080p 144hz needs the 1600/1070/fast ram for max FPS and consistent high min FPS. 2k 60hz also needs a 1070+ but CPU is less important (OC'd 1400 will work here) because the GPU's get very taxed at this resolution and up.

Your budget is everything, I know you're looking for a balanced system. (why pay for performance that you're not going to get?!)

RobCrezz · Aug 7, 2017

JUICEhunter :

You have a pretty good grasp on things, a g4560 will run up to a 1060 with minimal CPU bottleneck and you need a 1600 or 7700k to get more fps out of a 1070 and up.

Don't worry until CPU usage is full with low GPU usage which means huge CPU bottleneck.

If you're going for 1080p 60hz/fps an OC'd 1200/OC'd 1060 will produce the max the 1060 can do. 1080p 144hz needs the 1600/1070/fast ram for max FPS and consistent high min FPS. 2k 60hz also needs a 1070+ but CPU is less important (OC'd 1400 will work here) because the GPU's get very taxed at this resolution and up.

Your budget is everything, I know you're looking for a balanced system. (why pay for performance that you're not going to get?!)

2k needs a 1070+ at 60hz??

You know 2k is basically 1080p right?

Sylvvester · Aug 7, 2017

Maybe he meant 1440p, which really needs 1070+ to play games on ultra at 60hz.

RobCrezz · Aug 7, 2017

Yeah probably - I dont know why people have started calling 1440p "2k" - its not even close to 1440p, just a slightly wider 1080p..

I run 1440p just fine on my 1060 6gb, but I dont run everything on ultra.

geofelt · Aug 7, 2017

Differences:

1. Price. G4560 has been discovered as a very good budget gamer and now commands a premium price around $80 on newegg, up from the announced list price of $64.

Ryzen has also become popular The price is $215.

2. Performance.
G4560 has a passmark rating of 5092 and a single thread rating of 1992.
Ryzen 1600 is 12,365/1832. What does this mean to a gamer? For most games, the single thread performance is what matters most. I would consider 1600 and G4560 as equivalent there.

Then, G4560 has 4 threads and the 1600 has 12 available.
The total rating applies when all available threads are fully utilized.
That is unlikely in games, which rarely use more than 2-3 threads. If your games are multiplayer with large number of participants, then many threads are very good.

3. Graphics.
Ryzen does not have integrated graphics, so you must supply a discrete graphics card.
Intel G4560 has HD610 graphics with a passmark rating of 753. By comparison, your 5500 graphics is 577.
If you think you might want to use integrated graphics initially, I suggest the G4600 which has HD630 graphics with a passmark rating of 1219.
this pales in the face of a card such as a GTX1050ti with a rating of 5738.

If your games are fast action shooters, graphics is all important.

4. Upgradeability.
Ryzen motherboards will support 1700 and 1800 processors.
They offer 16 threads. Ryzen can be overclocked up to about 4.0. You get better bins and easier overclocking as you pay more for X versions and 1700 and 1800 versions.

Intel G4560 uses a lga1151 motherboard. Any of them can run a cpu upgrade all the way up to a I7-7700K.
If you want to overclock a K processor, you will need a Z270 based motherboard and a aftermarket cooler.

5. On cpu utilization:

Be careful how you interpret task manager cpu utilizations.
Windows will spread the activity of a single thread over all available threads.
So, if you had a game that was single threaded and cpu bound, it would show up on a quad core processor as 25%
utilization across all 4 threads.
leading you to think your bottleneck was elsewhere.
It turns our that few games can usefully use more than 2-3 threads.
How can you tell how well threaded your games or apps are?
One way is to disable one thread and see how you do.

You can do this in the windows msconfig boot advanced options option.
You will need to reboot for the change to take effect. Set the number of processors to less than you have.
This will tell you how sensitive your games are to the benefits of many threads.
If you see little difference, it tells you that you will not benefit from more cores.
Likely, a better clock rate will be more important.

6. Ultimately, you will need to decide based on your budget and future upgrade plans.

One guideline for a balanced gaming build is to budget 2x the cpu cost for the graphics card.

For an inexpensive budget build, I would use G4600 and a GTX1050ti.
For a mid range build, ryzen 1400/1600 and GTX1060
For a top end build, I7-7700K and GTX1080ti.

JUICEhunter · Aug 7, 2017

RobCrezz :

I know not exact calling 1440p 2k but there aren't any monitors that have the true 2k native resolution, but I hear ya with the difference from P to K. I've done the math myself with some 4k DSR and than using a resolution to scale to get some performance back. Going forward it's 2.6k for me.

OP: You mentioned you're cheap so G4560 and 1060, it does really well for the money still. The downside: You'd have to upgrade both CPU/GPU when it's time to upgrade. (changing out just one or the other will be held back by the older part.)

mdd1963 · Aug 7, 2017

a true 2k display has 'whopping' 2.2 M Pixels vs. the 1080 dispaly at 2.07 M pixels; performance will be quite similar, perhaps 1-2 less fps depending on GPU, ...and understandably so.

Supernova1138 · Aug 8, 2017

RobCrezz :

People have taken to calling 1440p 2K mostly because it is a resolution sitting almost in the middle between 1080p and 4K. Since 4K is 4 times 1080p, 1440p is closer to half of 4K so you get 2K, it's not technically accurate but sort of makes sense if you think 1080p is 1K vs. 2160p's 4K.

mdd1963 · Aug 8, 2017

The big 3 I just call 1080P/1440P/4k...

Oddball resolutions will fall in between there, scaling semi-proportionately with their pixel count throughput...

RobCrezz · Aug 8, 2017

Supernova1138 :

Its wildly incorrect though. 1080p isnt 1k (1k would be 720p..), 1440p isnt 2k, so lets stop that.

2k is basically cinema 1080p. 2k = 2048x1080, 2,211,840 pixels (regular 1080p is 2,073,600 pixels)

1440p is QHD 2560x1440, 3,686,400 pixels.

mconigs78 · Aug 9, 2017

geofelt :

Differences:

1. Price. G4560 has been discovered as a very good budget gamer and now commands a premium price around $80 on newegg, up from the announced list price of $64.

Ryzen has also become popular The price is $215.

2. Performance.
G4560 has a passmark rating of 5092 and a single thread rating of 1992.
Ryzen 1600 is 12,365/1832. What does this mean to a gamer? For most games, the single thread performance is what matters most. I would consider 1600 and G4560 as equivalent there.

Then, G4560 has 4 threads and the 1600 has 12 available.
The total rating applies when all available threads are fully utilized.
That is unlikely in games, which rarely use more than 2-3 threads. If your games are multiplayer with large number of participants, then many threads are very good.

3. Graphics.
Ryzen does not have integrated graphics, so you must supply a discrete graphics card.
Intel G4560 has HD610 graphics with a passmark rating of 753. By comparison, your 5500 graphics is 577.
If you think you might want to use integrated graphics initially, I suggest the G4600 which has HD630 graphics with a passmark rating of 1219.
this pales in the face of a card such as a GTX1050ti with a rating of 5738.

If your games are fast action shooters, graphics is all important.

4. Upgradeability.
Ryzen motherboards will support 1700 and 1800 processors.
They offer 16 threads. Ryzen can be overclocked up to about 4.0. You get better bins and easier overclocking as you pay more for X versions and 1700 and 1800 versions.

Intel G4560 uses a lga1151 motherboard. Any of them can run a cpu upgrade all the way up to a I7-7700K.
If you want to overclock a K processor, you will need a Z270 based motherboard and a aftermarket cooler.

5. On cpu utilization:

Be careful how you interpret task manager cpu utilizations.
Windows will spread the activity of a single thread over all available threads.
So, if you had a game that was single threaded and cpu bound, it would show up on a quad core processor as 25%
utilization across all 4 threads.
leading you to think your bottleneck was elsewhere.
It turns our that few games can usefully use more than 2-3 threads.
How can you tell how well threaded your games or apps are?
One way is to disable one thread and see how you do.

You can do this in the windows msconfig boot advanced options option.
You will need to reboot for the change to take effect. Set the number of processors to less than you have.
This will tell you how sensitive your games are to the benefits of many threads.
If you see little difference, it tells you that you will not benefit from more cores.
Likely, a better clock rate will be more important.

6. Ultimately, you will need to decide based on your budget and future upgrade plans.

One guideline for a balanced gaming build is to budget 2x the cpu cost for the graphics card.

For an inexpensive budget build, I would use G4600 and a GTX1050ti.
For a mid range build, ryzen 1400/1600 and GTX1060
For a top end build, I7-7700K and GTX1080ti.

Great info here. As a noob builder I have been on the ropes about a g4600 and the Ryzen 3. As for me im not a gamer just an everyday computer user, and maybe some emulation (dolphin). For around $500 it looks like the g4600 is hard to beat.

madmatt30 · Aug 9, 2017

While the Pentium g4560 was a truly great chip at its $60 release price its not so much now.
You are FAR better off with even the lowest ryzen 1200 at just over $100, its more current , is on a platform that will last longer (the skylake platform has 12 months tops) , its overclockable to the same single core performance as the pentium & its just more future proof .

If the Pentium was still at $60 I'd say yes but at $80+ its not that great a buy anymore.

& to the other posters regarding 2k / 1440p - yeah kills me too , I've had this argument so many times in the past.

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