Pair i5 6500 or i7 6700 with H110M Motherboard a bad idea?

NonTechSavvySheep · Aug 7, 2017

First of all. I'm not asking advise to build a gaming desktop as I already have the desktop. The thing is I need to know if I really need to replace the motherboard I currently have.

I5 6500
Corsair Value Select 8 GB DDR4 2133 Mhz
1 TB WD blue 64 MB
Samsung 850 EVO M.2 250 GB
I have MSI H110M Grenade

Someone told me that H110 motherboard has terrible chipsets regardless of the brands. It is also have lower quality MOSFET or Mosfet don't have heatsinks and capacitor and it is not suitable for 3D gaming or heavy workload. Hr said that it could fry my motherboard or just shorten the lifespan of the components. So far, the only thing I know about cheaper motherboard is that cheaper one has less features, less expansion, less I/O port etc. No one said that the cheaper one has terrible mosfet or heats up easily (reach 100 celcius).

He said that H110 is only suitable to pair with i3 or pentium.

The thing is I play GTA V for hours every day and if I'm not mistaken GTAV is 3D games. I also consider about running Virtual Machine or Crypto currency (turns out I don't do Bitcoin mining)

However, in the next 2 years I might pass my whole PC to someone who might do a heavy lifting (AutoCAD, video editing etc).
Do I really need to change the motherboard? If yes, what is your recommendation?

velocityg4 · Aug 7, 2017

The motherboard will work. The biggest limitation is you don't get a full x16 PCIe 3.0 slot for your GPU. Rather it operates at PCIe 2.0 x6 (not a typo). A higher end GPU may have its performance limited. Otherwise it is certified by the manufacturer to support i5 and i7 CPUs. If you update the BIOS beforehand you can also run an i5-7600, i5-7600K, i7-7700 and i7-7700K.

Update: Yes, it is cheap and offers limited expansion. What chipset do you think most cheap OEM i5 and i7 systems run?

androbourne · Aug 7, 2017

The board is not terriable for the price vs performance.

That is an $80 board. You get what you expect.

It is using the H110 chipset. It is the lower newish gen chipset offered. Which comes with the reduced price of the board.

As for PCI 2.0. That's not really something to worry about. PCI 2.0 from 3.0 is something like a 2% drop in performance in a global scale. bandwidth in the PCI 2.0 is still pretty good. I highly doubt that is going to be a big performance factor here.
http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2099-intel-chipset-comparison-z170-h170-h110

Main difference to see here is HSIO lanes.

So yes, if you want the most performance out of your system with a higher end CPU. I'd suggest a replacement.

However, your CPU default clock speed is 3.2GHz. I really dont suspect you would notice a big change replacing your mother board unless you plan to overclock or upgrade to an I7.

NonTechSavvySheep · Aug 7, 2017

velocityg4 :

I know it will work, the official MSI itself said that it support i7 and when I click details it said 1x PCI x16 3.0 or gen 3.

The only problem is, will it fry the other components if I use it for Gaming. Will it reduce the lifespan. That is the question. Of course it run. The fact is that i have used this pc for more than half a year.

manddy123 · Aug 7, 2017

NonTechSavvySheep :

No damage whatsoever will me be made to any of the parts you put on the mobo nor shorten their lifespan. No one would buy that if it were true.

androbourne · Aug 7, 2017

Overclocking can fries components. It happens. Google it. Tons of threads and issues of that happening.

It is normally safe guarded with an automatic shut down to prevent issues from happening, but that doesn't always work. Over voltage is a killer in OCing.

And yes, if you don't properly cool components that are being OC'ed it will generate more heat and reduce life span.

The key here is to know how to overclock correctly and provide efficient cooling.

However, that is not a big deal. There are many guides to show you how to do this in todays world.

velocityg4 · Aug 7, 2017

NonTechSavvySheep :

As indicated in my update. That is the most prevalent chipset used in OEM systems with an i5 or i7 CPU. They wouldn't use it if it meant them having to perform millions of warranty repairs. Nor would motherboard manufacturers. You don't need to worry about using an i7 in that motherboard any more than any other CPU which is compatible.

NonTechSavvySheep · Aug 7, 2017

I won't overclock the as it is not possible. However there is a worse case scenario that might play gta v more than 6 hours or just leave the PC running for 24 hour (24 hour not every day). It is unlikely I will game 24 hour as I will be too tired after a few hours and I have more things to do outside the PC. So is it safe if I just leave it on for a day (assume that I download some huge files/games) or worst case is crypto currency?

I was merely trying to confirm his statement as I haven't got the info anywhere.
I know that is not a top notch motherboard. I was just hoping it would not be fatal like getting inferior power supply. I have tier 2 power supply (seasonic sII2 620 Watt).

Thank you, because I really have to pass this PC to someone else when I die. If She has to change the motherboard for her needs, I'd left her a message before I die.

velocityg4 · Aug 7, 2017

NonTechSavvySheep :

Stop fretting. The motherboard will work as designed. The only reason it wouldn't is if there is something wrong with it. Which would show up eventually no matter what CPU you use.

The only other scenario I could see is if you have extremely poor cooling in your case. A case with a pair of 120mm case fans and a stock heatsink is more than enough cooling, a single 120mm case fan is usually sufficient for stock settings. Unless you are using in outdoors in the Sahara or something.

I can't find any evidence of this being an issue with H110. If it was there would be articles posted on tech sites, recalls, class action lawsuits and forums like this would put H110 on their s*** list. Every time someone asked about H110 the first five posts would have dire warnings.

Some cheap Z series (or cheap AMD boards) have this issue when overclocking. That is a completely different scenario than a regular board using standard parts at factory settings.

NonTechSavvySheep · Aug 7, 2017

velocityg4 :

I only have one case fan and an aftermarket HSF Raijintek Themis EVO dual fan. I'd have purchased Cryorig H7 or coolermaster 212 EVO, but they were out of stock.

I don't overclock so no point buying mobo Z and K proc.
However I just play GTA V for hours. I only consider crypto currency

I have one sites where it said that H110 motherboard is not suitable for 3D gaming and it will shorten lifes pan. It is in Indonesia so I don't think sending it one will help.

Looks like I do not need to worry about Motherboard replacement.

NonTechSavvySheep · Aug 8, 2017

http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php/657095-MOSFET-cooling-is-it-needed-for-oc-ing/page2

Here is what I worry about. Cause heat is the enemy of electronic components. Otherwise why would I bother adding aftermarket heat sink if I don't overclock. To make it last longer than I need

The link says that the mosfet can operate at 150 celcius.

However, that at 105 celcius, the lifes pan is somehow only 8000 hours. That is pretty short. I don't know how long it will last if I use it for gaming.

Also, how do I know the temperature on the mosfet when I use it for gaming like GTA?
If I use i5 6500 will it reach 100 celcius?

He said that I can't use more than 75% CPU usage otherwise it will reduce the lifespan.

I have a plan to leave the PC on for a day or two (at certain occasions)
If the motherboard breaks, will it take away the other components like the processor or GPU like a faulty PSU?

manddy123 · Aug 9, 2017

NonTechSavvySheep :

Friend, seriously, computers aren't made to break like cellphones. They are sturdy and if you keep them clean they will last.

Mine goes on for more than a week turned on, I game on it all the time with intel stock cooler and i have it for more than two years which means that those 8000h are purely in extreme occasion and absolutely not your case, you'll be just a casual gamer playing a few hours a day, not that it would matter since as i've already stated PCs aren't made to break when you game with them. My CPU is always around 90% of usage while gaming and still have no problems, boots under 10 seconds and have never showed a sign of failure, just as my GPU... Chill, you're gonna be just fine

You don't need to change a thing, your mobo is fine as so will be your entire system with it.

velocityg4 · Aug 9, 2017

NonTechSavvySheep :

They are overclocking. You are not.

I don't know how many ways people can say the same thing in this thread. That chipset supports the i5 and i7. If there were issues with heat it would be well known. Not obscure posts. OEM manufacturers would not use them on budget systems.

I don't know why you choose to believe this random uninformed statement some guy made to you once? All you are doing is going out of your way to find some other random person to support his statement.

If you want a new motherboard. Go buy one.

NonTechSavvySheep · Aug 9, 2017

manddy123 :

Yeah, I am so OCD about this and this is not cool. Good to see if your PC runs fine. I'm overly anxious and somehow very worried about those 8000 hours number.

I really need to know the temperature of mosfet when I stress the i5 6500.

You understand, I don't go this far to be screwed up. I put aftermarket HSF, fan case and Great power supply (tier 2) just to make sure that the PC runs for the eternity. I hope you are right.

If you say that 8000 hours are in extreme scenario, what kind of scenario would it be? My PC really needs to be able to handle worst case scenario.

If I want to VM as I planned earlier, will it stress the motherboard too much? I thought VM and video editing taxes your CPU. I rarely edit video. I mostly just play GTA V, GTA IV and few otherbopen world Games. I spend more times browsing the internet than playing games. Because I keep reading about computers. When I came across that thing, I become agitated.

I was thinking ASUS ROG Strix B250F to replace MSI H110M Grenade because it has better heatsink on the Mosfet and VRM maybe. Not because I would use the features.

I'm really on edge right now. Thanks anyway.

NonTechSavvySheep · Aug 9, 2017

manddy123 :

Do you use H81 or H110 motherboard? To be honest, I wasn't aware about the Phase of the motherboard. Some said that 6 phases would be enough but more is better. Like ASUS ROG Strix B250F, it has 6+3 Phase. I would not know MOSFET, VRM or any of this thing if this guy hadn't told me. He is in computer engineering.
Sometimes, ignorance is a bliss.

manddy123 · Aug 9, 2017

NonTechSavvySheep :

a H110 mobo + a i7 6700. Never failed me.
We all here have a bit of experience in the IT field, we are not talking non-sense. You rig will be fine, you aren't nearly stressing it as possible, believe me. Every single thing you mentioned is considered normal within this forum, therefore you can rest easy because if there were something amiss, we would say to you, but there isn't.

madmatt30 · Aug 9, 2017

The board is fine , both the i5 & i7 are fairly low power chips.
I also have no idea where velocity4g has found info regarding the pci express slot only running at PCI express 2x6 - in fact I don't believe there is such a thing as x1 , speeds start at 1x & double so 1,2,4,8,16.

The board has a PCI express 3 x 16 slot full stop

velocityg4 · Aug 9, 2017

madmatt30 :

Pugetsystems 6 lanes at 2.0 speeds.
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Z170-H170-H110-B170-Q150-Q170---What-is-the-Difference-635/

Now that I reread it. I just realized those are PCIe lanes for the chipset. The x16 slot is a full x16 slot.

NonTechSavvySheep · Aug 10, 2017

@velocityg4

I trust anyone in this forum just as I trust that guy, Why would it be any differences. I don't know any of you anyway. If I don't believe anyone expertise here, I'd not have asked this. He is just in a major computer engineering. He told me that the mosfet will receive 100c even if it doesn't OC the CPU. I already told him that I do not OC and yeah, he made it clear it also apply to non OC PC. Then in other local sites, I saw somehow another people in the comments said that he uses Z motherboard even if he uses i3 (not i3 7350k) just i3 because it has longer lifespan

The thing is that I trust you all the same, so that makes me more difficult to choose. If I trust him more or trust you guys more, then the choice would be far easier.

One more thing. Is 3-4 years lifespan of the motherboard too short? If the mobo dies in 2 years, will it be better for me to choose newer socket or just buy another mobo on the same socket just better chipset? When they said 3-4 years, do they mean to lower end motherboard?

Isn't that heat the enemy of components? That when power supply deliver power to the motherboard through Mosfet, they produces heat right? Especially for good quality high wattage PSU like Seasonic SII2 620 Watt.

And also I followed @madmatt30 and the person happened to just post an answer here. recommendation earlier in the day when I build the desktop. So far so good.

madmatt30 · Aug 10, 2017

100c on the MOSFETs with a 65w tdp CPU ?? - bearing in mind the power draw of an i5 rarely touches 50w except under excessive benchmarking.

That is absolute baloney mate honestly.

Honestly that board is fine if you already own it as long as it has the expansion & ports/slots you want.

NonTechSavvySheep · Aug 10, 2017

Isn't that the heat comes from the power supply to the motherboard and not just from the processor?
Isn't that the termp from motherboard different from the temp from processor?

The expansion is pretty adequate for me, I haven't noticed a performance drop and overall run smooth. I use a slightly more expensive motherboard than the one you recommend. You recommended MSI H110 Pro VD or VH. I bought MSI H110M grenade because it has M.2 sata slot for the Samsung 850 evo m.2 ssd and somehow samsung 850 evo m.2 is less expensive than the regular samsung 850 evo for the same capacity by a margin.

I really don't get the logic if the motherboard is that bad, the OEM will not used it or anything similar like someone stated, if so then why can't you apply the logic to PSU.

I know some of those generic bad power supply out there in indonesia and I got that info from here.
Have you heard Dazumba, Simbadda? They are similar like any those tier 5 PSU. Similar like Enlight, power logic, venom rx, game max. All those tier 5 PSU that most of the expert here would have told me to avoid and I did as they said. And they sell a lot here because not so many people knows jack shit about computer.

They are Crappy power supply, but they sell a lot. The PSU is crappy enough to break the other components when it failed. And I haven't seen any class action lawsuit against them. If they can be this mean to sell crappy power supply, why wouldn't they do that with the motherboard as well? Is it because Intel designed the chipset that it will cause Intel trouble if the motherboard dies quickly?

madmatt30 · Aug 10, 2017

^ well we get crappy psu's here in the uk too & we have very stringent consumer /trading /safety laws.
The problem with psu's is that they only have to pass a certain specification & deemed to be non dangerous to you the user to pass safety standards.
Doesn't mean you should buy them though.

Boards ?? Completely different , these are all made by established brands who want to keep their customers.
I'm not a massive fan of MSI personally & their budget boards are fairly cut down but like I said you're talking a general sub 50w use CPU here.
I've run an asrock h61 with less vrm power phases with a 3570 (rated at 10w more than the 6500) since 2013.
If it were an amd 95w+ cpu on a low end MSI board there would be cause for concern , but its not , its an ultra efficient skylake chip.

& yes vrm's filter & split voltage to CPU & ram so they do get hot , they'll be rated for 100c+ though , they won't get hotter than 60c with an i5 , & even if they did there are safety protections built into the board to throttle back voltage & CPU clocks if temps ever get out of spec.

NonTechSavvySheep · Aug 10, 2017

madmatt30 :

Okay so the CPU will never reach 65 W even if I use it for rendering or running VM here. When you say 60 celcius, you are referring to the heat of the processor and mosfet right?

I saw a picture and description on local site (it is in Indonesia) that H110 reached 110 celcius (they didn't specify which h110 motherboard) then they showed Us Gigabyte Sniper B7 B150. And show all of the goodies, it seems more like an advertisement though
Because it feels like they are try to promote something rather than explaining how do they reach 100 celcius.
Fyi, I also checked few other websites though.

madmatt30 · Aug 10, 2017

I didn't say the CPU won't reach 65c , that said did you mention a themis evo ?? If so then you'll barely ever hit mid 50s on CPU temps.

I don't believe for one minute the vrm temps have ever got close to 100c on that board with a 6500 - never ever.

70-75 maybe but that's well within specs

You mentioned only 1 case fan ??

You want another mate , minimum for any gaming build is 1 front intake , 1 rear exhaust.

Worry more about getting decent general case airflow than about your board.

As you said , heat is a killer , keep the case nicely aerated & you'll be all good.

NonTechSavvySheep · Aug 10, 2017

madmatt30 :

To clarify. That VRM will not reach 100 c but 70-75c even if by random chances, I push 100% on CPU or upgrade to i7 as long as I have aftermarket hsf and 3 fan case right?

About fan case. Could you recommend any 120mm. Doesn't have to be expensive. Just enough to make me stop worrying (making another panic thread). I have pretty contsraint budget.

How about be quiet! Pure wing 2?

It doesn't have to be completely silent as long it doesn't bother me too much like intel stock cooler noise.

Right now, I only have one forgame Warcraft 12 cm fan case.

As long as I have 3 fan case (rear, front and up) my H110 should be fine. The heat will not be that bad that will kill my mobo? Because if it kills the mobo, someone is gonna kill himself.

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