Which one should I BUY ??? AMD RYZEN THREADRIPPER or INTEL CORE i9-7900X ??

Avijit3355

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Hey guys.. I want to build a new pc for my Works....
I want a PC that can render my 4K edited videos in Adobe Premiere fast.. and also as well so that I play 4K games in that same PC... I am using 28 inch samsung 4K monitor ....
Please Guys help me out..
 
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Ryzen is not FX. It nearly matches Skylake-E IPC clock for clock (at most 5-10% behind) and the cores utilise a similiar SMT design as Intel.

With Threadripper, you will get more cores for the same price. 16C 32T compared to 10C 20T. And you will also get a higher stock clock of 3.4 GHz compared to 2.9 GHz.

I also assume you do not want to overclock as you want the most reliable performance. For reliability, both CPUs are exceedingly good, at stock.

The only downside is that Ryzen is usually RAM limited and cannot reach high frequencies in excess of 3200 MHz. However, you will be hard pressed to even fully utilise the bandwidth of Quad Channel 2400 MHz RAM!

Get the Threadripper 1950X. And pair it with a good Zenith Extreme board and...
From what I hear Threadripper has better performance for less cost, but benchmarks are not exactly official yet but I'd expect them to be ahead of the 7900X by a good margin. Threadripper release date is tomorrow August 10th. http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-threadripper-1950x-benchmarks-leaked-42-faster-competition/
 


When comparing processors that have the same number of processing cores/threads from AMD and Intel, Intel will usually win. When comparing Threadripper 1950X, it has 6 more cores and 12 more threads than Intel's Core i9-7900X and should be considerably faster in multi-threaded workloads.
 

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Ryzen is not FX. It nearly matches Skylake-E IPC clock for clock (at most 5-10% behind) and the cores utilise a similiar SMT design as Intel.

With Threadripper, you will get more cores for the same price. 16C 32T compared to 10C 20T. And you will also get a higher stock clock of 3.4 GHz compared to 2.9 GHz.

I also assume you do not want to overclock as you want the most reliable performance. For reliability, both CPUs are exceedingly good, at stock.

The only downside is that Ryzen is usually RAM limited and cannot reach high frequencies in excess of 3200 MHz. However, you will be hard pressed to even fully utilise the bandwidth of Quad Channel 2400 MHz RAM!

Get the Threadripper 1950X. And pair it with a good Zenith Extreme board and 4 sticks of FlareX 3200/3466 or Trident Z 3200c14.

And then pair it with a GTX 1080 Ti or an OCed RX Vega 64. Currently the best gaming setup for 4K.
 
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Good info here, but threadripper doesn't seem to be suffering the same memory teething pains that Ryzen 7 did at launch. Both Asrock and Gigabyte have multiple kits on their QVL's that range up to 3600Mhz.

http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/Fatal1ty%20X399%20Professional%20Gaming/index.asp#Memory
http://download.gigabyte.us/FileList/Memory/mb_memory_x399-aorus-gaming7.pdf

I haven't checked Asus' QVL in a few days, so you may want to have a peek there too before making a memory selection.
 

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Stop spreading misinformation. The Zen architecture is worse than Haswell, let alone Skylake-X.

The 1950X has 60% more cores than the 7900X, and it doesn't even beat it by 30%, on average. In some tasks, the 7900X comes on top, especially anything that makes use of AVX-512.

Also, X399 motherboards cost more than X299 motherboards.
 

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The 1950X has 60% more cores than the 7900X, and it doesn't even beat it by 30%, on average. In some tasks, the 7900X comes on top, especially anything that makes use of AVX-512.

They cost the same. Well actually the 7900x costs more despite its performance deficit. So what...in your opinion, is an acceptable loss percentage for a processor that costs $100(10%) more than the competition? 25%? 20? Are you suggesting people should pay more for less because the slower product has fewer cores?
 

Gon Freecss

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They cost the same.

I don't get what you're trying to say.
 

Solarion

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No, they don't. The MSRP is the same, the price is not.

https://www.amazon.com/Intel-BX80673I97900X-Core-i9-7900X-Processor/dp/B072KTSCCS/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1502528033&sr=8-3&keywords=7900x
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117795&cm_re=7900x-_-19-117-795-_-Product

Why pay more for a processor that offers lower performance at all? Not like your workflow is going to care if it was completed by a 10core or 16core CPU. 20-30% faster just means more work done in less time.
 

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Depending on your workload consider the following:

* 64 PCI-e lanes on AMD / 44 (at most) on Intel platform
* more cores and threads at similar (or less expensive in some cases) than the Intel counterpart
* Motherboard costs are similar to be a wash until you consider that Intel will have Thunderbolt onboard (3x faster than USB3.1b)
* AMD platform performance scales well with faster memory and always supports quad channel memory (Intel dual and quad channel mem)
* Intel has longer legacy of stability in its platforms and bugs/fixes; bigger ecosystem footprint + for Intel, but growing each day with TR/AMD

Simplicity in scalability for AMD, one board and chipset to do it all...and all those delicious PCI-e lanes. Right now, at least, the upper-hand is with AMD.

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Ugh the misinformation here is mind-blowing.

PCI-E Lanes
Threadripper has 64 lanes and the i9-7900x has 44 via the CPU itself. But the x299 Chipset (Intel) provides another 24 PCI-E lanes.

Winner: Intel

Base Clock Speeds
Someone here innacurately stated that the i9-7900x base clock is 2.9GHz. It is actually 3.3GHz.

Overclocking
The i9-7900x is an overclocking monster (just cool it well which isn't THAT hard - I'll get to that later). It will OC past Threadripper all day long. Higher clock speeds are good for gaming. More cores are good for multitasking and multi-threaded workloads (i.e. Editing).

Adobe Premier

The caveat to the above in your particular use case is that Adobe Premier actually performs better on Skylake-X than Threadripper, even though it has less cores. Premier prefers clock speeds vs. threads. This could change in a future update to the software of course, so there's no good answer here.

Cooling
There is A LOT of talk about this. I currently own an i9-7900x. I was going to go with Threadripper but my use case is gaming/streaming so the higher clock speeds for gaming and the extra cores for streaming made this CPU the perfect fit for me. That being said, I took all necessary precautions to ensure I cooled it properly. I bought my CPU from siliconlottery.com so it came delidded and the shitty TIM (Thermal Interface Material) provided by Intel was replaced with liquid metal. Buying from Silicon Lottery was the SAME price as buying the CPU from Newegg. I paid $969 + shipping. The only difference is your 3 year warranty from Intel is void by delidding but SL gives you a 1 year warranty. Honestly, I have NEVER had to replace a CPU so I'm not concerned. In addition to delidding it, I used Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut thermal paste and an Alphacool Eisbaer 420mm AIO. I currently have my i9-7900x OC'ed to 4.8ghz and with Prime95 for 1 hour, temps reached 69C. When gaming at 1440p w/ everything at ultra and streaming at 1080p60, 6k bit rate, temps never go above 53C. My previous i7-4930k OC'ed to 4.5Ghz would reach 55C while gaming and 65C while gaming/streaming. So in conclusion, proper planning eliminates the cooling issues for literally no extra cost. You would be buying a good AIO cooler anyway for Threadripper (Seriously, don't cheap out on cooling your ONE THOUSAND DOLLAR PROCESSOR).

Also, for those interested, my BIOS settings for my OC are:
XMP profile for RAM (32GB G.Skill TridentZ RGB) 14-14-14-34 3200Mhz
Baseclock: 100
Voltage: 1.225
AVX: -3
AVX 512: -5

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Some dude here posted "only buy 7900x if you refuse to buy AMD". Bro, shut up. When choosing parts that cost $1,000 USD, there are a lot of things that should influence your decision. I am brand agnostic but the Intel offering didn't cost me anymore and is perfect for what I wanted to do. If I was editing in Blender all day, I would go Threadripper - no question. It's all about use case.
 

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Just a thought, but the i7-7820K isnt too far behind the 7900X in terms of performance but is almost half the price. And 8C 16T is still fine for premier pro, as Automatiic said- Premier prefers clock speed over cores.

Just my two cents!

Cheers
 

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Can you explain your comment about Blender and Threadripper? I use mostly Maya and After Effects, would that also apply to me? Thank you!