The Coffee Lake

oh also I saw fry's has some pc building kit for $2 that ahs screws and I don't know what else.... components don't come with screws??? How am I supposed to know what all to buy? Articles claim you need a screwdriver and that's it. They conveniently say nothing about screws or anything else, so I have no idea if I need anything.

Thanks for the responses.

geofelt, right now I am using one that only has an athlon II and 4gb memory. And even that seems fine most of the time now that I cleaned it out. BUT some videos shot on my current camera have frozen on and off (before I cleaned it out.... I havent tried it since, but everything else runs smoother since) and also at some point in the future I may want to do 4k video editing. But of course I could always use the integrated gpu and add a gpu down the line. I just would "rather" have everything taken care of on the front end.

So basically "most" of the time, I think intel would be better for my needs. But the most intensive stuff that matters most would be better with ryzen...

I thought well maybe a 6 core intel would be a nice in-between because some of those are on sale for less expensive than the ryzen 1700x. But they are 6th gen ones. And then you're getting worse everyday performance than the 4 core intels and still worse workstation performance than the ryzens.

By the way, keep in mind I do NOT want to overclock whatever I get, either. I don't want to risk it and I don't want to have to add in cooling and extra fans etc... I guess I could take out fans from my current pc to add a couple if I really needed to, but I'm sure they suck.

I was already leaning towards the 1700. Only thing is I don't want to overclock and 3 GHz sure sounds low.

I assume you personally prefer the i7 yourself, judging by your sig.

That's pretty much what I was going to do, anyway, due to all the black Friday deals and not needing the pc now (although my pc could have issues at any time, and I will not pay to fix it if that happens).

If some amazing deal comes up for a 1700x or 7700k, it may be hard to pass it up, though. Say around $250 or so.

I could technically "get by" with my current one as long as it doesn't have a component go out. But, I figure it will. I'm starting to think I may be going overboard wanting all the best parts for a pc when I don't even game on one and I would probably only rarely edit video or even watch video on it often.

I'd even be tempted to get just the standard 7th gen i7, use integrated graphics, etc..., but I am worried if I "do" need to edit 4k video in the future, it would flat out hiccup along. I doubt it, though. Most likely even with the i7 integrated one it would still work ok, just be slower.

I've never built a pc and have vision issues, so I am a bit worried, but hoping I will figure it out. It's kind of overwhelming trying to figure out how to know a "good enough" motherboard and case and also which SSDs and RAM are good. I kept hearing g.skill, but even on sale 16gb of it is around $150 after tax and I could have sworn I saw some other well regarded memory for more like $120.

But anyway so I can't tell when good deals come along, due to not beign sure of all specs on the SSD and memory that matter. On memory I want to get 3000+ ddr4, but are some brands still better than others at the same specs? On a SSD, they have so many specs, I have no idea what to be looking for to know if it's a good choice.

The budget is $0, but I have to spend anyway out of figuring I have no choice. lol.

I already got the corsair rx550w psu for ~$60. That is all I have so far.

Probably going to take this guy's advice and not bother with an internal optical drive.

For wireless, do some motherboards already have it built in?

For case, I wanted the design define mini c, but read that it isn't good at cooling.

motherboard, lately I have seen a lot of people talking about so many issues with all three of those main brands. And I am not going to pay over $100. Some that are normally $150 go ons ale under $100, though.

For SSD, the problem is Samsung is so expensive. Also so many different specs to figure out... They all say 6gb/s, so how are some better than others?

Do you know of any cases that are midsize atx, enough airflow, quiet, and easy for a beginner to navigate around, all for a normal price of $100 or less? I don't want to spend $100 on it, but just saying some that are "normally" $100 could always go on sale for an affordable price and I am planning on buying components on and off for months when I find each one at good prices.

Even if I do settle on Samsung, the problem is then there is a lot of spec listing that I am not sure on. Someone on these forums explained some of it, but I've already forgotten.... Seems like he said m2 is just a connection type? I don't know but some say "m2", some say "3d (something)", and probably 3 or 4 other such designations I am not sure on the meaning of.

I really truly would rather not overclock. Since I don't game, it's not worth the headache of that. People have told me if I don't overclock, I won't have to worry with adding fans and radiators etc... and I definitely don't want to have to do that.

I am kind of regretting deciding to build one, I think, because they have such good sales on prebuilt ones. for instance, I just noticed that a little over a week ago there was an alienware with i7, 16gb ram, and I think it had the 1080 gpu (maybe it was 1060 or 1070, but I don't think so), all for $1099. It's hard for me to stay under $1099 even with a 1050ti.

But, anyway, my hope is that I can get each component on some amazing sale and end up under $1k. At MSRP the stuff I want would not be nearly that low, but newegg and micro center and even b&h have such great deals on and off, it should be very easy to save several hundred if I buy parts a little at a time. If I were to decide an integrated gpu is enough for me, I bet I could get it done for $700-$800. Just depends how good black Friday deals are for pc components, I guess. But anyway so when I say my budgets, just remember I am not talking about with current prices.

Oh one question... do no ryzen 7 cpus come with integrated graphics? Only the intel ones do? And I recall even some intel ones don't.... I think the x series.

I think overall I understand what I need to, except the motherboard is the one area I am confused on because people keep recommending the b350 to me and then I see some (or all?) of those don't support memory up in the 3000 MHz range. Then apparently some mobos support ryzen, but NOT ryzen x series, and I would never have known it if not for reviews, so I am worried I am going to get a mobo I think is fine and find out after the return period that ut's not compatible with something.

See even on that first build you did there (along with my already bought psu), it's already almost exactly in that $700-$800 price I mentioned above for one without a dedicated gpu. And that's without me waiting around for good prices. So I should be able to get what I want for a mighty good price.

And all of that sounds fine, except newegg ahs the b350 for right around that same price as the b250. (wait.... I am mixing things up since you used intel and the other is for AMD ones, right?)

ANyway all oft hat looks very close to what I was thinking except I will probably go ahead and pay the extra $30-$40 for the 7700k or if I decide on ryzen I will obviously have to get a different mobo. Also I may get about a 500GB SSD (originally planned on a 1tb one, but it wasn't Samsung.... so with Samsung it would be expensive.... with other brands it's around $250 for a whole 1tb one).

I see the 500gb Samsung 960 evo is only $234,s o i'd probably get that. Still it's paying basically the same price as what a 1tb one is for other brands such as wd, sandisk, adata, etc...

What advantage does m2 have? Also do you know the difference between the EVO and the PRO? A 960 PRO 512GB one Is a little under $300 at newegg, but I dnt know that it's worth paying the $66 extra fr pro when all I can tell so far is it BARELY has better read speeds.

Also I can't really get anyone to explain to me whether or not the SSD would have any advantage for accessing files from the HDD. Seems to me that if you store videos, for instance, on the HDD, as many say to do, then you're not going to be getting the SSD's good speeds, because the program being ont he SSD would not mean anything fi it's reading a file from the HDD, would it?

Does the 7700k not come with the heatsink or you're just saying it's not a good enough one? Also which ryzens would require me buying one vs. not requiring it?