Trying not to buy an AIO - need small form factor alternative - suggestions?

mcjefferies

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Hello,

I want to buy/build a new PC for my downstairs living area - will be used as a family computer. Kids aren't quite old enough for 'gaming' so not inclined to build it specifically around that, but I imagine their interest will only grow. I so a lot of high-resolution photography, retouching and occasion 4K video editing.

My wife wants something slimline that looks good. I figure i can get better performance with something only a bit bigger than an AIO with some sort of small-form-factor setup where the 'box' is hidden behind the screen. Needs to be quiet/silent.

Been looking at a couple of models e.g.: Dell OptiPlex 7050 Small Form Factor, but thinking building my own might be a better route.

Approximate Purchase Date: e.g.: Now
Budget Range: £1200 (approx $1500)
System Usage from Most to Least Important: video and photo editing, surfing internet, watching videos, playing games.
Are you buying a monitor: Yes, minimum 24", ideally 4K, good colour rendition for photo work.
Parts to Upgrade: Buying everything new.
Do you need to buy OS: No.
Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Don't mind, but buying from UK.
Location: City, State/Region, Country: London, UK
Parts Preferences: None.
Overclocking: Maybe, but probably not.
SLI or Crossfire: No.
Your Monitor Resolution: Ideally 4K
Additional Comments: Want something that from most angles will look like an all in one. Thinking a small-form-factor case, with no fan, or quiet fan, hidden behind monitor on a stand or vesa mount set-up. Will be in the living area. Wife adamant that she doesn't want a 'massive' computer, but keen to get more bang-for-my-buck than an AIO offers. Would prefer SSD for OS and regular HD for files built in. If cost is prohibitive could survive with just SSD perhaps.
And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: Need a family computer / something for photo work.
Include a list of any parts you have already selected with descriptively labeled links for parts: No parts selected.
 
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It has very good reviews from one of the trusted sites... https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NCASE/M1/6.html

But compatibility wise, not sure whether it can cut the ice in terms of fitting the components. You might have to measure them individually.

CPU Cooler: 130mm (with side bracket in place and no fan mounted)
GPU: 12.5" (slots 1 & 2), 11" (slot 3)
PSU: SFX PSU or 160mm ATX PSU with short GPU/140 mm ATX PSU with long GPU
Other than playing AAA games you can do everything 4K on this pc. For playing AAA titles, you will need a better graphics card.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor (£178.95 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-AB350N-Gaming WIFI (rev. 1.0) Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard (£103.93 @ CCL Computers)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (£139.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (£83.38 @ BT Shop)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB Mini Video Card (£139.96 @ CCL Computers)
Case: Silverstone - GD05B-USB3.0 (Black) HTPC Case (£89.99 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£47.57 @ Ebuyer)
Monitor: LG - 27UD58-B 27.0" 3840x2160 60Hz Monitor (£346.12 @ CCL Computers)
Keyboard: Cooler Master - CM Storm Devastator Gaming Bundle Wired Gaming Keyboard w/Optical Mouse (£23.39 @ Aria PC)
Total: £1153.28
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-08-12 20:36 BST+0100
 

mcjefferies

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Thanks for the suggestion. I wonder whether I should be sticking with Intel rather than going the AMD route? I understand Intel works better with video editing at least. Any thoughts on that?

The case you've suggested is a bit bigger than I was anticipating. Ideally I would mount the case to the vesa mount on the monitor so the case would be floating behind the monitor. Do you know any cases that would enable that?

Thanks
 
The new Ryzen processors are better in editing and multitasking. You need to read this... http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_5_1600_review,14.html

Thing is, that is the smallest you can go without compromising quality. By that, what i mean is, cases smaller than this comes with their own proprietary SFF PSU units, which are usually junk, and not recommended at all. If you go for a smaller case, you wont be able to accommodate a quality PSU, and the PSU is the heart of your system. When the crappy PSUs go down, they often tend to take down other components along with it.
 

mcjefferies

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Its tricky because I've been reading about Photoshop performance e.g.: https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Adobe-Photoshop-CC-2017-AMD-Ryzen-7-1700X-1800X-Performance-907/ which suggests that Intel is overall better. Maybe it evens out somewhat.

As for the case, what would you think about the Node 202 case? Too small? I think I can just about get it vesa mounted behind a monitor, which would work well for me.

The other thing I'd want to highlight is noise. Really keen to minimize fan noise - would anything change in your recommendation because of that?

Thanks
 
The Node 202 can only accommodate SFF PSUs. Its too small. The SFF PSUs are not that great. You can get the Node 304.

If you want to go Intel then go with the below build. For quietness, ditch the stock cooler and go with the cooler listed. Since you have a budget of 1500 approx, I have linked a better graphics card that will last you longer and perform better in games...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-7700 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor (£265.90 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 3 67.8 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler (£64.99 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Asus - STRIX B250I GAMING Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard (£110.35 @ BT Shop)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (£123.00 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (£83.38 @ BT Shop)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB Mini Video Card (£238.99 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Fractal Design - Node 304 Mini ITX Tower Case (£64.98 @ CCL Computers)
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£47.57 @ Ebuyer)
Monitor: LG - 27UD58-B 27.0" 3840x2160 60Hz Monitor (£346.12 @ CCL Computers)
Keyboard: Cooler Master - CM Storm Devastator Gaming Bundle Wired Gaming Keyboard w/Optical Mouse (£23.39 @ Aria PC)
Total: £1368.67
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-08-13 03:23 BST+0100
 


It has very good reviews from one of the trusted sites... https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NCASE/M1/6.html

But compatibility wise, not sure whether it can cut the ice in terms of fitting the components. You might have to measure them individually.

CPU Cooler: 130mm (with side bracket in place and no fan mounted)
GPU: 12.5" (slots 1 & 2), 11" (slot 3)
PSU: SFX PSU or 160mm ATX PSU with short GPU/140 mm ATX PSU with long GPU
 
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