Upgrade Path from FX8350 / R9 290x

Erik Berg

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I do a lot of gaming from WoW, BF1, D3, Fallout, etc etc. I can currently play everything on max settings (all games default the settings to max/ultra), without any stutter or lag but i can feel the systems age and im considering a Ryzen upgrade. I built this pc for the BF4 Launch, so its old (by tech standards).

Just need opinions on what the best upgrade would be for my pc whether it be a TR or ryzen7, or maybe my gpu (upgrade to vega or maybe 1080ti?). And what kind of performance increase would i be likely to see?

Full system specs below.

Motherboard - Asus Sabertooth 990fx Gen3 R2.0 The Ultimate Force (TUF) Series
CPU- AMD FX 8350 4.4ghz OC (running that speed for years)
Ram - 16gig (2x 8gig) Gskill Ripjaws X series 1866mhz-OC
GPU - Sapphire R9 290x BF4 edition - 1275mem clock and 5% wattman OC
SSD - Samsung 840 pro 250gig
PSU - Coolermaster Silent Pro 850w
Case - Coolermaster HAF X
Thanks in advance for any info.
 
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Yeah i would go with a 1080ti if i did upgrade. When i first built my system i got the best that there was out there at the time figuring it would last 5 years. And it has easily. If im going to upgrade, im going to get the best i can.

Now, when i originally built this system it was because i did a lot of youtube videos (stopped 1.5 years ago or so / have over 1200 video). I needed something that was a powerhouse for playing at max settings while recording at the same time and my current build was the solution. When i first built it and benched it (with my current/still in use overclocks) on fire strike extreme i was about 20% over their top "high end gaming pc" marker, 20% ahead of the stock 4770k and titan that was out at the time...

Dunlop0078

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I would upgrade the CPU, the 8350 will likely bottleneck quite severely anything more powerful than a 290x. Especially something like fallout 4 which runs quite badly on fx cpu's.

If this build is for gaming I would not even consider threadripper, from benches I have seen higher clocked ryzen 7 or even ryzen 5 cpu's tend to outperform the threadripper cpu's in gaming.

You would likly see quite a bit of improvement in cpu heavy games like fallout 4. I linked some benchs below, however mind you theses are all using mor powerful gpu's than the 290x. I would expect a ryzen cpu to perfom similarly to the 4790k in the fallout bench.

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You have a reasonably well balanced system now.
It is not clear what your most effective upgrade would be.

FX-8350 is not very effective from a single thread performance point of view.
That is very important for many games.
It is not clear how many threads you can effectively use.
Most games will use 2-3 threads. Multiplayer with many participants can use more.

Here is my stock approach to better understand what you need:
Some games are graphics limited like fast action shooters.
Others are cpu core speed limited like strategy, sims, and mmo.
Multiplayer with many participants tend to like many threads.

You need to find out which.
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To help clarify your CPU/GPU options, run these two tests:

a) Run YOUR games, but lower your resolution and eye candy.
If your FPS increases, it indicates that your cpu is strong enough to drive a better graphics configuration.
If your FPS stays the same, you are likely more cpu limited.

b) Limit your cpu, either by reducing the OC, or, in windows power management, limit the maximum cpu% to something like 70%.
Go to control panel/power options/change plan settings/change advanced power settings/processor power management/maximum processor state/
This will simulate what a lack of cpu power will do.
Conversely what a 30% improvement in core speed might do.

You should also experiment with removing one or more cores. You can do this in the windows msconfig boot advanced options option.
You will need to reboot for the change to take effect. Set the number of threads to less than you have.
This will tell you how sensitive your games are to the benefits of many threads.
If you see little difference, your game does not need all the threads you have.



It is possible that both tests are positive, indicating that you have a well balanced system,
and both cpu and gpu need to be upgraded to get better gaming FPS.
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If you need single thread performance, the answer is kaby lake.
If you need many threads ryzen is good.
I would discount threadripper on two fronts.
1. It is new with likely teething problems.
2. No game is going to use all of those threads.

Aug 21 should bring the coffee lake processors. I think I would wait to see what that brings.
Likely, the big deal will be 6 core processors.

Here is a recent test using a GTX1080ti comparing i7-7800X vs. 7700K titled 6 vs. 4 cores for gaming.
https://www.techspot.com/review/1445-core-i7-7800x-vs-7700k/
Takeaway is not much difference, but the cheaper 7700K wins by a bit because of faster single thread performance.

For anything less that a GTX1080ti, I would think that ryzen or kaby lake $200 processor would do the job.
Either would be a big upgrade for you.
But, if you are entertaining a top graphics card, look for a top cpu to drive it.

What would be your graphics card upgrade?
It makes little sense to do a small upgrade, like to a GTX1070. You are likely to be disappointed if you do not see big results.

More likely, you are looking at the GTX1080ti which you mentioned.
Today, it is as good as it gets for a single card.
Vega looks like a GTX1080 competitor at best.



 

Erik Berg

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Yeah i would go with a 1080ti if i did upgrade. When i first built my system i got the best that there was out there at the time figuring it would last 5 years. And it has easily. If im going to upgrade, im going to get the best i can.

Now, when i originally built this system it was because i did a lot of youtube videos (stopped 1.5 years ago or so / have over 1200 video). I needed something that was a powerhouse for playing at max settings while recording at the same time and my current build was the solution. When i first built it and benched it (with my current/still in use overclocks) on fire strike extreme i was about 20% over their top "high end gaming pc" marker, 20% ahead of the stock 4770k and titan that was out at the time (99 percentile bench).


As for what i used my build for vs what i want for going forward:

For the years ive had it its been awesome but a year or so after swifty (wow youtuber) contacted me to do a 5 video series with him,i stopped youtubing. I ended upaveraging 120-150k views a months for a couple years straight but i stopped doing youtube because google is greedy and what i was making 800 a month doing went down to 250 a month and i couldnt justify the time/investment vs return.

That said, i dont need a rig for encoding,editing,and gaming at the same time anymore, just strictly gaming.
However, note that i do run multiple monitors. One super low latency 48" samsung led screen and one other smaller and lower resolution screen for other stuff. I game on main screen and say, watch tv shows/youtube on the other/smaller one.
 
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Back to simple Q/A

What is the best current CPU/MOBO he can buy if he wants to keep his R9 290x. Why people deflect and avoid simple questions ill never know ?