GTX 1080 FE and Temps

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Hi folks,

I've been paranoid about temperatures and cooling for a while now - in general; ever since my PSU fan failed a couple of years ago - otherwise I've not actually had problems with cooling, just worried I might (good ol' paranoia).

As a result, I'm a bit torn about what to do in certain games.

At max settings in most games, my GPU often reaches 83°C - especially if uncapped framerates - but performance isn't hit in the slightest. I do know that this is expected, especially for the FE.
At worst, I can see it goes from ~1850 Clock speed to ~1750 Clock speed, but it's not something I've noticed having a profound impact on performance, if any.

Since I worry about temps so much, however, I often use Precision XOC to cap the framerate, which in most cases keeps temperature lower (~65°C in Quake Champions @ 120FPS Ultra, ~65°C in Fortnite @ 60FPS Ultra, ~70°C in LawBreakers @ 90FPS High).
Again, not something that hugely impacts performance, but in the latter example with LawBreakers, I start to stress whether or not the FPS cap is causing some mouse lag (which might just be a placebo).

And of course I have tried setting a custom fan profile (40% @ 30-60°C, 60% @ 70°C, 90% @ 80°C), and it helps - in the short term, heat tends to still mount up over time, and I end up with the proverbial jet that is the reference blow-exhaust.


So, I'm left pondering, which option should I go for?

1. Stop worrying about temps, go for best settings I can get without performance hits, and if the card reaches 83°C, so be it.
2. Try to limit heat build-up by capping FPS, and hope I reach an equilibrium before the cap impacts performance (or at least user experience) negatively.
3. Bite the auditorial bullet and open an in-door airport when I play.


Of course I could mix them a bit, as I have in Quake Champions (Menu isn't FPS capped, so churning out 300-500 FPS causes quite a bit of heat build-up), so capping it actually keeps temps at the aforementioned 65°C (in-game as well, not just on the menu).
But in other cases, it doesn't seem as straight forward. Sub 100 FPS I begin to notice visual micro-stutter or mouse input issues, yet if I go above the limits mentioned above, temps go back up to at least 78°C-83°C.


Part of me rationalizes that nVidia has gone with the best compromise between noise, cooling, and performance, without jeopardizing stability or health of the card, but another part of me reads forums that mention 80°C+ is too high, and you should definitely set a custom profile to keep them sub-80 (which doens't always work anyway, I find).


Anyway, I'm rambling.

Do I worry too much about the temperature of my GPU?
Is it "safe"/"okay"/"preferable" to just let it run at factory settings?
Or should I try to limit heat production by capping FPS (potentially well below what I'd like), or reduce settings (which I feel is a bit.. wrong.. given the age of the GPU).


For reference:
MB: ASUS Z270E
CPU: i7-7700k @ base clock
Cooler: Noctua NH-D15, dual fan setting -- idle 36-38°C, load 63-67°C, spike (very rare, only seen once) 70°C.
RAM: 16GB CL14 DDR4, 2133MHz
GPU: (EVGA) GTX 1080 FE @ base clock -- slight coil-whine at high FPS; i.e. uncapped menus, but nothing major or ear-piercing -- idle 36-40°C.
PSU: Corsair RM850i (never seen the fan actually needing to start, and I run HWMonitor constantly)
Case: Fractal Design Define R5, 2x140mm front intake (1 Fractal, 1 Noctua), 1x140mm rear exhaust (1 Fractal) -- silent mode (no noticeable difference between silent and performance setting on the case fan controller).
Monitor: ASUS VG236H, 1920x1080 @ 120 FPS
 
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I am wondering, though, what would you do in this scenario?
1. Fortnite @ Ultra settings, Uncapped FPS, stabilizes at 82°C and ~130 FPS, clock speeds from 1600-1700.
2. Fortnite @ Ultra settings, 120 FPS, stabilizes at 82°C and constant 110 - 120 FPS, clock speeds from 1600-1750.
3. Fortnite @ Ultra settings, 60 FPS, stabilizes at 70°C and constant 60 FPS, clock speeds at ~1800[/quotemsg]

That is very interesting....I would go with 2 give it a limit of 120 so it's not all over the place....but yea loud fans are pretty annoying just try to get the fans up as much as you can without it being too noticeable....but again as long as fans are in auto or higher don't worry about ruining the card it will save itself.....but from my knowledge and other...

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You're fine below 90. The card will not let itself get above 90 and downclock to limit itself.
I would limit it if you really don't need the extra frames but it should be fine
 

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Cheers for the quick reply! :)

From what I understand, it downclocks to stay under 83°C, but as mentioned, it doesn't seem to impact performance when it does. Not noticeably, anyway. Of course it'll go to more drastic measures if it reaches the thermal limits of 90 (92?)°C, but the highest I've seen it get was 87°C, and that's only happened once.

In any case, thanks for the reassurance. Been trying to convince myself of much the same thing: Let it hit 83°C if it does so when running at reasonable settings - by which I mean settings that are as high as possible without impacting performance (other than temps), and at FPS that doesn't impact user experience - but skim the top off if it tries to go far beyond what is necessary (i.e. the 300-500+ FPS it renders on QC menu).

So, for example, Quake Champions is a good example of "limiting" the card, since I don't need that many FPS on the menu, and 120 FPS are fine in-game as well (since my monitor doesn't support more than that, anyway - and I can't see a noticeable difference beyond 100 FPS, anyway).

But in case of LawBreakers, for example, where "resonable settings at resonable FPS" (High/Ultra @ 120) still causes the card to reach 83°C, I shouldn't go to extremes (reducing quality or otherwise), just to ensure it stays below that, such as capping FPS at 70 and get mouse input issues and what not.


Just repeating to try and convince myself.. Hrh.. paranoia's a horrible thing :p

Perhaps I need to stop opening HWMonitor as the first program every time I boot up, so I don't focus so much on FPS, and just go by performance of the games instead?
 

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Yes you should be fine but if you notice a large drop off in fps/performance ex. (120fps to 30fps) I would stop for a bit....but the cards are pretty smart being how new they are...I don't know if you change fan speeds but whenever I go into a game that might heat up my card I just crank up my fans then when done put it back in auto....I'm sure you have already tried this just wanted to check....but don't worry you should be fine anyway! :) Just keep it clean of dust and debris!
 

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Hehe, cheers again for answering my follow-up question.

Aye, I do occasionally up the fan-speed, but I find it gets a bit too noisy, and it doesn't lower the temperature all too much, either. Maybe a couple of degrees at most? Going to try now (playing around a bit with settings and whatnot in Fortnite at the moment).

I am wondering, though, what would you do in this scenario?
1. Fortnite @ Ultra settings, Uncapped FPS, stabilizes at 82°C and ~130 FPS, clock speeds from 1600-1700.
2. Fortnite @ Ultra settings, 120 FPS, stabilizes at 82°C and constant 110 - 120 FPS, clock speeds from 1600-1750.
3. Fortnite @ Ultra settings, 60 FPS, stabilizes at 70°C and constant 60 FPS, clock speeds at ~1800

Edit:
Just did some testing with a custom fan profile (40% -> 30°C, 50% -> 40, 80% -> 80°C, 100% -> 90°C)
Fortnite @ Ultra settings, 120 FPS, stabilizes at 82°C and 100-120 FPS, clock speeds from 1800-1835.

Doesn't seem to do much difference, other than my fan is now so noisy I'm instead worried if it'll wear it down quicker, if my case doesn't take off before then ;P
 

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I am wondering, though, what would you do in this scenario?
1. Fortnite @ Ultra settings, Uncapped FPS, stabilizes at 82°C and ~130 FPS, clock speeds from 1600-1700.
2. Fortnite @ Ultra settings, 120 FPS, stabilizes at 82°C and constant 110 - 120 FPS, clock speeds from 1600-1750.
3. Fortnite @ Ultra settings, 60 FPS, stabilizes at 70°C and constant 60 FPS, clock speeds at ~1800[/quotemsg]

That is very interesting....I would go with 2 give it a limit of 120 so it's not all over the place....but yea loud fans are pretty annoying just try to get the fans up as much as you can without it being too noticeable....but again as long as fans are in auto or higher don't worry about ruining the card it will save itself.....but from my knowledge and other forums I've read turning up fans is your best option! I have a 1060 and I normally have the fans 80% during gpu intensive games and temps. are normally below 60C at full load....Good luck!

 
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Hehe, cheers.
Likewise, I think. Even though it's almost imperceptible, there's a bit of jitter(?) at 60FPS, and as you mention, it's still within safe limits - or rather, the card will, by design, ensure that it stays within safe limits, as you point out - I reckon I'll notice it on performance if it's ever trying to outperform itself (obviously).

Ah, and I edited my reply a bit ago - was testing out using a custom fan profile.
It didn't actually lower my temperatures, oddly, still stabilized at 82°C with 80% RPM, but it did allow for higher clock speeds (~1790-1830), although that had no perceptible effect on performance. Reckon that's the way the Reference Cooler Cookie crumbles.
Speaking of, at 80% (even at 60%), the fan is so noisy my paranoia shifts from temperature to whether the fan can handle it :p

So, yeah, think I'll try to convince myself from now on to opt for the middle-path of "Don't worry about temperature, ya' dingus, the card will take care of itself for the most part. Just make sure the game(s) run well - but of course limit things if the card is trying to churn out ludicrous amounts of FPS", and I'll probably not resort to custom fan profiles, as they don't seem to save that much on reference coolers(?).
That sounds reasonable, doesn't it? (I'm apparently bad at convincing myself :X)

On a slight aside, with 60°C at full load, I assume (almost hope) that you have an aftermarket 1060? ;o


In any case, thanks a ton for your patience, willingness to help, and advice, it's exceedignly appreciated! :)