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Itachi_1

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Hey, so I'm building my new rig and want someone (as many people as possible) to give me a hint about whether there's something to improve or not. I've spent hours upon countless of webs to get this, as i'm trying to get my money used as well as possible.
To be more exact, i'm going go save some parts from my actual build so those won't be listed - those are:
Storage discs
PSU
1080p monitor

And now for the build:
Motherboard: Asrock B250M-HDV
CPU: Intel i5-7500
GPU: Gtx 1080 Phoenix GLH
RAM: Crucial - Ballistix Sport LT 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory
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Motherboard: Gigabyte b350 gaming 3
CPU: Ryzen 5 1600

Anything I could improve, hopefully?
 
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i recommended an i7 cause that would almost be all you need to update the system if your on a budget. if you decide to go ryzen 1600, you have to change the board, cpu, maybe ram. format drive for reinstalling OS. and updating the bios on the new board. i would only get the 1600 and a new mobo if the total cost is cheaper than the i7 chip alone.
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i5 7500 might bottleneck the gtx 1080. Try getting a ryzen 1600 and a b350 mobo



PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/x3GtGf
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/x3GtGf/by_merchant/
CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($197.65 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: Asus - PRIME B350M-A/CSM Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($71.98 @ Newegg)

Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB D5X Video Card ($514.98 @ Newegg)

Total: $784.61
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-08-16 14:19 EDT-0400

Also gtx 1080 is WAY overkill for 1080p. unless your monitor has a 144hz refresh rate

Also intel are announcing new cpus on 21 august with 6 core i5. You might want to wait for that
 
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Yeah, I would go with a R5 1600 and get a 350 board as well. The 7500 is not a bad CPU, but it is impossible for me to choose it over the 6 core/12thread unlocked 1600. You also want to make sure you get a SSD to load the OS. The SSD will make boot times and load times much faster.

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CHM2yf
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CHM2yf/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($197.65 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI - B350 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard ($93.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($111.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($127.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB D5X Video Card
Total: $531.50
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-08-16 14:40 EDT-0400
 
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i am aware of that release and i am waiting for it indeed, but thank you for the heads up.

Yes, 1080 is a bit overkill, but 1. i see it as a real strong futureproof-er, 2. it gives me space to upgrade to a 144Hz later (besides other AAA titles, I play FPSs a lot so fps are real important to me), 3. i found it for a great price - like 20$ difference from 1070s.

About the CPU.. yes, i had second thoughts, but many people said 7500 is great for gaming, specially for 1070s amd 1080s, so.. are you sure about that?


About the many cores... am i going to use them in lower player capacity multiplayer games and singleplayer ones?
 
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What is your budget? What else do you want to do other than game? It is hard to build a gaming rig without a budget.

A i7 7700k will get you better fps than a i5 7500 or a 1600. But there is a point where you spend more money than you get in performance increase. Some games the 7700k will get much better fps, some games it will only get a few fps more.

Games like single threaded performance. The 7700k and the 7600k are the single threaded performance kings. If you want nothing other than gaming, then you should buy a i5 7600k or a i7 7700k and get a z rated board. Those CPUs cost a lot for a quad core, plus you have to buy aftermarket cooler, and the z motherboards cost more.

While the 1600 does not have as good of single core performance as the 7700k/7600k, they are not that far off (about 10%). While the 1600 multithreaded performance is much better than the 7700k/7600k. Applications that can use the multithreaded performance will perform very well with the 1600.
 
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nothing more than gaming really, just some basic Chrome + Office usage.
7700 is too expensive - after all these answers and some more digging, i'm thinking about changing the CPU and mobo:

CPU: Ryzen 5 1600
Motherboard: Gigabyte b350 gaming 3

Do you think that would suit me better?

Right now, I'm at around 1000€ here in the country, and would prefer to stay at the price, more or less.
 
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CPU will definitely bottleneck the GPU unless you downgrade the GPU to a 1070. But, from experience, even the R5 1600X slightly bottlenecks the GTX 1070 so I'm sure it'll do some bottlenecking on the 1080 as well.

In my opinion, you should either choose a more powerful CPU like an i7 7700K or choose a lower GPU like the GTX 1070 if you're going to keep the 7500. You would definitely be saving a lot of money by going with the latter and still kick ass in gaming.
 
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Itachi_1

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Still a bottleneck? I've went through like 7 forums and everywhere people said that CPU is more than enough for that card...

I think 7700(k) would be an overkill for a single-windowed 5v5 to 24v24 FPSs or Witcher 3s, plus the prizes are just way too high.

That downgrade to a gtx 1070 could be an option, sure, but as i said, i've managed to find a pretty good deal with a negligible price difference (at these stakes), which wouldn't make it worth going for the lower one really.
 
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You'll certainly get better performance with a GTX 1080 vs the 1070, so by all means, go for it if you got a good deal. What I meant by the bottlenecking, is that you won't see the card's full capability with that CPU on some games.
 
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There term "bottleneck" gets thrown around quite alot, sometimes unjustly.

While yes, an i7-7700K + 1080 is going to see greater performance than a Ryzen5 1600 in gaming (due to it's higher IPC / clock speed), I wouldn't say the Ryzen5 would be "holding back" (ie bottleneck) a 1080 much at all, provided the resolution allows.

At 1080p gaming though, the chances of even an i7-7700K allowing a 1080 to reach it's full potential (usefully) is relatively low anyway. I'd expect to see 100% CPU usage (on the cores/threads any given title can utilize) before you max out at 100% on a 1080.
In some cases that CPU usage could be as low as 50% on the 7700K ie 4 cores.... or 33% of a 6core/12thread Ryzen 5.

If you do opt for Ryzen, ensure you pick up DDR4 @ 3000MHz, which seems to be the 'sweet spot'.
There's sizeable performance gains between 2133/2400MHz and 3000MHz. Beyond 3000MHz, there's diminishing returns and you're not looking at any noticeable gain, relative to the cost increase.
 
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The motherboard i selected states:
"Support for DDR4 3200(O.C.)/2933(O.C.)/2667/2400/2133 MHz memory modules"
since i'm not going to overclock, should i pick a different one then?


I also thought about the 1600x, though the price there is getting a bit higher. Do you think it's worth the buck?
 
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If you're giving serious consideration to Ryzen, I'd suggest you also give serious consideration to Overclocking.
While the 1500X or greater are no slouches at stock, they do benefit from overclocking.

As for the RAM speeds, the (O.C) aspect stated on the boards support list is fine. With either XMP (or whatever each specific vendor calls the AMD equivalent....some call it A-XMP I believe) or timings entered manually, you should be able to achieve their rated speeds.
Technically, XMP (or whatever other name) is an overclock of sorts.

IF you can get comfortable with overclocking (it's easier than ever), the 1600X doesn't look so appealing.
The Ryzen5 1600 (non X) can be overclocked comparably to the 1600X and would be a much better "value".
 
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Good, good. I'll give the overclocking a proper thought, then - most people say that because of it, it's not even worth buying the 1600x over the 160p anyway.
But if i chose NOT to OC in the end, would a 1600 still be a good buy?
 
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Yes, the 1600 will be a good buy as long as you overclock your RAM. Before you make any predetermined decisions on overclocking, see how the chip performs. If you are happy with your games without an overclock, then there is no need to overclock it. If you feel like the chip is holding you back, then you can overclock it. The 1600 is an excellent gaming CPU and will be for a good while.

Don't get the 1600x, the added cost of the CPU and the additional cost of an aftermarket cooler does not warrant the meager performance increase.

 
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Itachi_1

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Thank you for making me sure, then.

Just one last thing, why overclock my RAM? Isn't it the processor i wanted to make better?

(i've no experience with OCing yet, so if the answer would be too long, i can find it myself and mark the Solution right away, don't worry.)
 
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i recommended an i7 cause that would almost be all you need to update the system if your on a budget. if you decide to go ryzen 1600, you have to change the board, cpu, maybe ram. format drive for reinstalling OS. and updating the bios on the new board. i would only get the 1600 and a new mobo if the total cost is cheaper than the i7 chip alone.
 
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