Can you justify the purchase of a ryzen 7 1800X?

SENOR BURTOS · Aug 17, 2017

I've always criticized this processor due to its terrible value.

The big majority of the people can just get away with the R7 1700 and OC it to 3.5-3.6 GHz to match 1700X/1800X's clock speeds for a portion of the price.

In a nutshell the 1800X is poor value just like any top-of-the line CPU and it is more consumism or wanting to have the best than it is anything else.

They call them "enthusiasts" sometimes.

But I know that OC can affect overall system stability and people that use it for a workstation are very concerned about that.

So the question is

Is it very possible to have that kind of issues by OCing the 1700 to 3.5-3.6 GHz?

Aren't they the exact same chip but the 1800x is "factory-overclocked" so to speak?
Is the 1800X really better binned than the 1700?

If it is just a gimmick and you can perfecly OC a 1700 even in workstation use then the 1800X is just marketing right?

Zerk2012 · Aug 17, 2017

Overclocking does not affect system stability if dont right.
For your question their suposed to be a better bin but from what I have seen hits the overclock wall the same place as the lesser chips.

Hardware Brad · Aug 17, 2017

The only difference between the 1700 and the 1800x is the binning. You may hit the "silicon lottery" and happen to get a 1700 that can overclock as high as an 1800x, however it is very unlikely and id say in over 90% of cases you will always be able to overclock an 1800x higher than a 1700.

For most people, it is not worth spending the additional money to get the slight performance increase from the higher clock speeds. The 1700 is the best value of the 8c/16t ryzen cpus

Eximo · Aug 17, 2017

Ah, but at what power output?

If they are binned well, then the 1800X should be able to achieve the same speeds at a lower voltage and heat generation. For someone trying to get that last 50-100Mhz, that might be worth it.

If you go overboard on the cooling, it probably doesn't matter that much.

Besides, the X makes it sound cool.

Eximo · Aug 17, 2017

Zerk2012 :

On a side note, do you get a buzzing sound out of your fan controller? I spent hours trying to figure out where my noise was coming from and it turned out to be that.

USAFRet · Aug 17, 2017

If I'm using the system for a paid job, I'm absolutely NOT going to mess with OC of any level.

Video production, large scale photo processing, 3d CAD, db processing etc, etc....stability is the need, not cheaping out a little and messing with overclocking.
The PC is a tool, not a toy.

And the price difference is merely a business expense/investment. And $300 for a Ry 1700 vs $460 for the 1800X is trivial.

If the 1800X saves a cumulative 5 hours in processing time, it has more than paid for itself.

Hardware Brad · Aug 17, 2017

The only way I could justify having someone buy an 1800x over a 1700 is if they were not overclocking at all (whether they don't know how or whatever their reason is). They will get 600MHz faster base clock and 300MHz faster boost, which is a pretty good performance increase. Still, it is up to the consumer to decide if that is even worth spending the additional $150, and for some people it is. If you think about it like this, all other hardware in the system is the same, say you are building a very high end system and you are spending $2000 or $2150, the price increase is 7% but the performance increase will be higher than 7% in most applications.

SENOR BURTOS · Aug 17, 2017

Eximo :

Yeah but in my opinion 50-100 extra mhz isn't worth it it won't make any difference in most cases it's just more enthusiast stuff that I will never understand.

Thanks anyway

SENOR BURTOS · Aug 17, 2017

USAFRet :

Couldn't you get the 1700X for that matter? It is about the same money as the 1700 and performs only 3-5% slower than the 1800X

Or can you explain in which scenarios 5% more can make a 5 hour difference?

Thanks in advance

SENOR BURTOS · Aug 17, 2017

Hardware Brad :

Yeah that's right but as you mentioned before better OCs aren't guaranteed by buying the 1800X. But the 1800X is more likely to reach faster speeds, though we are still talking about 50-100 extra mhz

Thanks

SENOR BURTOS · Aug 17, 2017

Hardware Brad :

Yeah I was expecting somebody to come up and say "there are people that don't know how to OC" though quite frankly if you were to build your own PC you would probably be willing to deal with OC. I mean, building your own PC is hard already taking a few minutes to OC shouldn't hurt you that much.

Either way you made a good point in theory the 1800X represents 7% more money on the whole system but 50-70% more for the CPU solely. Now, I don't know how that 7% performance increase stacks up with let's say, putting those $150-$170 towards a better video card, more RAM, faster RAM, more storage faster storagebetter colling, a better monitor or whatever the case may be. At $2000-2500 dollars I believe there are still a lot of things to prioritize first.

It depends on personal preference I guess

SENOR BURTOS · Aug 17, 2017

Zerk2012 :

Yes I've also seen hitting them about the same speeds.

It comes down to how lucky you are most of the time.

USAFRet · Aug 17, 2017

SENOR BURTOS :

And the 1700x is right in the middle on price.

That 5 hours was cumulative. If the user($40/hour employee) can save 5 minutes per operation, that only has to be 3 times a day for one month to equal "5 hours". After that, its all gravy.

I'm not saying that the newest most expensive uber CPU is always the answer. But you have to balance initial cost vs productivity.
But if he can move on to the next operation a little faster...it might be worth it.
If it weren't, we'd all still be using 8 bit 8088 chips.

For a personal gaming machine? Highly unlikely to be worth the extra money. I know *I* wouldn't.
Is it going to make me more actual money? Why wouldn't you?

Zerk2012 · Aug 17, 2017

Eximo :

I have no buzzing sounds anywhere in my PC.

Zerk2012 · Aug 17, 2017

USAFRet :

I would disagree with that if done right a overclocked system is just as stable as a stock system.

USAFRet · Aug 17, 2017

Zerk2012 :

Done right, maybe.

But that is something I would not want to worry about in that particular scenario.
Remember, I'm speaking of a work environment. Possibly/probably multiple machines, rather than a single one.
Too much maintenance.

For your PC at home? Rock on! Save the money on the chip and OC that thing until it squeals.

Phaaze88 · Aug 17, 2017

Then the same should apply to factory OC'd gpus as well.
It's all a matter of perspective and where ones priorities lie.

Supahos · Aug 17, 2017

There are many cases where the 1800x makes sense. You guys are acting like $160 means anything to even a mid sized business. And ocing a processor on a computer that can be remotely controlled/updated/monitored can definitely cause issues. If you have 10-12 rigs you wouldn't want the headache.

As usafret mentioned with a system life of even 2 years a 2-3% productivity boost to a even lowly $15 employee would pay back many fold.

If you're some gamer on a budget then even the 1700 doesn't make sense paired with less than a 1080. Even in my line of work we spend $15,000 for Autosteer for our equipment to make people more efficient, you think a smart business wouldn't do the same?

SENOR BURTOS · Aug 18, 2017

Zerk2012 :

What do you mean by "it is just as stable"? please explain

Zerk2012 · Aug 18, 2017

First I have not read anything in this post about a work environment where he will be using more PC's unless I missed something.
I use My PC for some work and have changed nothing since I built it except drive arangements and adding 16gb more memory and my PC is 100% stable when rendering using all it has.

Zerk2012 · Aug 18, 2017

SENOR BURTOS :

When I overclock a PC either for myself or somebody else I never go for the max I can get but rather a performance boost. Take my processor OC to 4.6 I got it 100% stable then added 0.02 volts to keep it that way, I do the same with memory.

USAFRet · Aug 18, 2017

Zerk2012 :

The title:
"Can you justify the purchase of a ryzen 7 1800X?"

Yes, I can. For the specific reasons I mentioned in my first comment.

Now, if it had been:
"Can you justify the purchase of a ryzen 7 1800X for a gaming system?"....then my answer would have been totally different.

SENOR BURTOS · Aug 19, 2017

Zerk2012 :

So you've never had any issues with it?

Have you ever done any work that lasts hours to get done? I guess it may be stable under regular use but what about very heavy rendering?

SENOR BURTOS · Aug 19, 2017

USAFRet :

No I wasn't specificly talking about gaming that is why I mentioned workstation use

I know what the answer is fo when it comes to gaming

SENOR BURTOS · Aug 19, 2017

OK LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY

I wanna find out which is the best choice for a rendering PC. The rendering process takes hours to finish so any blue screen or whatever the case may be is going to cost the whole process.

I'm deciding between to CPUs, a ryzen 7 1700 or 1700X, and a ryzen 1800X

What is a better choice? ryzen 1700 OC'd or 1800X. The 1700 is going to be overclocked to the same level as the 1800X which is 3.7 GHz for the base and 4.1 GHz for the turbo as far as I know.

Is the 1800X going to be more stable/reliable or power efficient at any degree? Thanks

Can you justify the purchase of a ryzen 7 1800X?

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