Please help me compare AMD vs Intel build!(same price)

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Hey, so help me decide between those two systems... I use my PC mainly for gaming and this build is supposed to last me for the next 5 years or so... I am very worried about Ryzen compared to intel in the long-term.

I will also use my computer for really heavy tasks aside from gaming which is why I thought the i7 is great.
Nonetheless someone offered me two different builds and I'd like your help:

Intel based:

CPU - Intel i7-7700k + Arctic Cooling Freezer i11
Motherboard - Gigabyte GA-Z170XP
Case - Cougar MX330 Mid-Tower + NE550M
Memory - 2x DDR4 8G / 2133 CL14 Crucial Single ranked(total 16GB)
GPU - Palit GeForce GTX 1070 JETSTREAM 8GB GDDR5 VR Ready
Hard drive - Seagate HDD 1.0TB 65mb SATA3 Barracuda 1

AMD based:

CPU - AMD Ryzen 5 1600 AM4 BOX
Motherboard - Gigabyte GA-A320M-DS2
Case - Cougar MX330 Mid-Tower + NE550M
Memory - 2x DDR4 8G / 2133 CL14 Crucial Single ranked(total 16GB)
GPU - Gigabyte Geforce GTX 1080 G1 Gaming 8GB GDDR5X 2560 Core VR Ready
Hard drive - Seagate HDD 1.0TB 65mb SATA3 Barracuda 1




So I know the GPU is better on AMD but I feel like the CPU is really slower than the Intel, won't I have bottlenecking? Can someone offer me something else? Thanks.
 
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I just wonder if cannon lake will be 1151. AM4 should support zen 2 and probably zen 3. I suggest waiting till coffee lake is out and maybe compare ti to the 1700 8 core. I think AMD will change its prices to the 1700 around the i5-8600k coffee lake.
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The problem is that I live in Israel. I'm not sure when they'll be coming to the market here.
Is it really worth the wait? I'm iching to buy a new computer for months now... Is 6 core really that important for the next few years?
Also, what do you think about these two current builds putting aside the new gen?
 
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Hey,

Bottlenecking shouldn't be too big of an issue, you can also overclock the Ryzen. However if you decide to overclock you will need a B350 motherboard or a X370 motherboard, not an A320. I would also suggest 3000mhz DDR4 memory as Ryzen makes use of higher bandwidth memory. I would also suggest that you add a good SSD to either build as it will really speed things up in day to day use.

In gaming the 7700k will fare better as it has a higher clock speed (they can overclock past ~4.5Ghz, while Ryzen generally tops out at 4ghz) and they have a higher IPC (instructions per clock), thus single threaded performance (still important for games) is better on the i7. The Ryzen chip has more cores and should do better in multi-threaded applications, although the i7 will still pull ahead in some cases.

You said someone offered these configurations to you, if I may ask, how much are they charging for each? You may be better off building it yourself.

If you need any help building or choosing components, I and many others here are happy to offer advice. Just post up another thread.


Hope this helps!
 
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Well, if you are that hard pressed, go with the Ryzen build as it is better value and will last you longer than the Intel build. While you might get a few fps less, that cpu is pretty strong to support that card fully without any bottlenecking whatsoever, and should outlast the Intel cpu in terms of scaling and optimization as games are moving towards higher cores.
Aside from gaming performance, it will really shine on the heavy tasks that you have mentioned as it has better multithreaded performance than the 7700k.
 
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The 1600 can match a max overclocked 7600k so it shouldn't bottleneck. With the 1080 the Ryzen build will own in all but a few single~dual core threaded programs/games. You should wait till the coffee lake 6 core 8600k i5 coes out. You will be comparing it to the 1700 8 core in the $250 price range. IE price will change a bit from both companies.
 
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Not sure how prices overlap between US/Israel but these will both cost around 1400 dollars...

That being said, this is the cheapest I could find thus far for these parts. I checked identical builds in the biggest computing retailers in Israel and they sometimes price 2,000!! dollars + for the same build in prebuilt computers.

This guy specifically helped me build a computer myself... though I'm not sure what his qualifications are but for identical builds this is definitely the cheapest thus far.


EDIT:

One more thing - I'm not really a computer whiz, but I am very worried about Ryzen because of its brand name... I just don't know if I can trust AMD for deliver the same long-term performance as Ryzen. What happens after 6 months of use? Does the Ryzen CPU wear out? Is my fear rational?

Also, are you sure the 1600 won't bottleneck? I'm really worried about that.
 
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Gaming wise the Rzyen + Gtx1080 system will be more powerful as it has a better GPU. If you wait, Intel will have 6core mainstream parts soon. But I don't think you'll be disappointed in either system.
 
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Well, for the above two builds, as mentioned, the Ryzen should be better value unless you are planning on playing esports games extensively. For both builds, you should get higher RAM for better performance, specially for Ryzen.
That Arctic unit on 7700k is a mediocre unit, and if you plan to OC, it has to go.
You have not specified the PSU which is the heart of the pc and needs to be of good quality.
A better case should help in keeping the temps down in the long run.
Ofcourse SSD can help, but that can come later on.
 
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I think you'll get about the same life out of both of them personally and either choice is fine. The AMD will game better thanks to the 1080 not the CPU.
The i7 is the better CPU for gaming right now, any speculation about which will end up better over time is risky and you need to realise opinions about where gaming will go may or may not be reflected by reality.

To use an historical example, when the first core 2 Quad processors came out enthusiastic gamers everywhere started proclaiming the death of dual core machines for gaming. Meanwhile the smarter ones stuck with their higher clocked dual core machines and got several more years of competitive gaming performance out of them. Dual core gaming is still Viable today for a large % of games (but certainly not all of them) so quad core has taken a really long time to become necessary for gaming.

My point is, games take years to develop and it will be quite some time in my opinion until 4 cores is no longer enough to game well. Now if you like to run dual screens and do some streaming or watch youtube etc at the same time - then the Ryzen may come into it's own - but I do all that now with my 2 year old 6700K just fine.

A high end gaming PC seems to be good for 2-3 years at max settings and another 1-2 years at medium settings assuming you stick to the same resolution. My current rig is 2 years old and the graphics card is 3 years old (GTX 980) and I've yet to need to turn down any settings and the CPU is still overkill for most games I play, I could easily have gone with an i5 instead. I feel like the hardware is good for another year or two at least and seems like it's lasted bettter than past machines. What's going to drive my next upgrade is likely switching to QHD or 4K
 
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Intel build notes:
1- Get Cryorig H7 instead if you don't want to spend much on CPU cooler;
2- Get MSI z270-A Pro—better than z170 (awesome for overclocking at that price);
3- Depends on your preference, PSU seems decent;
4- Good;
5- Palit GTX 1070 is a good GPU, although there are better options, they all are the same after slight overclocking;

AMD build notes:
1- Higher in core/threads vs. Intel with a decent stock Cooler;
2- Get Asus B350M PC Mate instead;
3- Ryzen benefits from higher memory frequency, so getting 3000MHz/3200MHz would make a difference;
4- Powerful GPU. Ryzen 5 will bottleneck in some games;

Overview notes:
Regarding gaming, Intel's KabyLake processors smash most AMD's Ryzen processors (15-20% difference, which matters in gaming) thanks to its powerful single-core performance, which 'most' games rely on.
Regarding multitasking, Ryzen processors shine here against Intel's thanks to its multiple cores/threads performance and usage—i7-7700K can't even keep up with Ryzen 5 1600 under heavy multitasking.

Your choice will depend on which matters to you the most—gaming or multitasking.
 
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http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-7700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-1600/3647vs3919
17% difference overall. It doesnt smash anything and it definitely does not bottleneck the 1080.
 
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OK, guys. I found another build that's roughly the same price from a different retailer, tell me what you think because honestly I don't understand the differences between motherboards and memory types(CL14? CL16? 2400MH/z? 2133?)

CPU: i7 7700K + MSI Z270-A PRO + Zalman CNPS10X + Ballistix Sport
RAM: Crucial 16G (2x8G) DDR4 2400Mhz CL16
SSD: A-Data 120G Premier SP580
Hard drive: Seagate 1T 3.5'' SataIII Barracuda 7200RPM
GPU: GALAX GTX1080 8G D5 1657MHz-1797MHz EX OC RGB + BP
Case: Corsair Carbide 300R Windowed
PSU: Antec 550W Modular 80+ Bronze

Hows this system compared? The person above me said this motherboard is better.
Also - the previous builds didnt include the price of a PSU & HDD.

Please note that I'm not planning on overclocking my machine though.
 
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Thank you for all your answers!! You've helped me tons!

One LAST build I'd like you to comment on please!(compared to the last one I posted...)
Then I'll stop bothering

CPU: Ryzen 7 1700 AM4 Box
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-AB350M-D3H
Case: Cougar MX330 Mid-Tower + NE550M
RAM: Corsair DDR 4 16G (8Gx2) 3000 CL15 Vengeance LPX
GPU: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1080 G1 Gaming 8GB GDDR5X 2560 Core VR Ready
SSD: SanDisk SSD Plus 240GB SATA3 MLC 2.5"
HDD : same one as before

I just looked at the prices and it seems like this one costs the same as the last one I posted, here's for anyone if they don't want to search:

CPU: i7 7700K + MSI Z270-A PRO + Zalman CNPS10X + Ballistix Sport
RAM: Crucial 16G (2x8G) DDR4 2400Mhz CL16
SSD: A-Data 120G Premier SP580
GPU: GALAX GTX1080 8G D5 1657MHz-1797MHz EX OC RGB + BP

 
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The 7700K/1080 build without a doubt. If you were doing a LOT of steaming, editing, CAD, photo work or some other productivity task(s) then the 1700 would be a better choice. You will be VERY happy with the 7700K/1080/16GB RAM/Z270 board for 3-5 years.

My issue? That SSD is tiny. Oddly enough it's the same SSD I have. I don't regret buying it but it's not a size I recommend to gamers. I recently purchased Sniper Elite 4(well it was 1-4 for $30 something). It is 54.2GB or maybe 52.4 for just Sniper Elite 4... My point is that a 120GB drive is a nice addition but a 256GB or bigger SSD is what I would recommend. BUT that is a very inexpensive SSD. You can rotate your most played game(s) in and out of there if you want.
 
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Thanks for your input!

Anyone agree/disagree?
 
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Get the 1600. I've used AMD for years, they are fine cpus. I've been using them since the old k6 chips(200 mhz).

Multitasking wise, the 1600 will multitask better, more cores, now threads. From a pure gaming perspective, yes the i7 will get a few now frames per second, but if you are talking about say 150fps vs 140fps you won't see that. Look at it this way, reports are there next i7s will be 6 core 12 thread.

If you are going to buy today, keep in mind games are going to go now multithreaded at some point. Both the Xbox one and PS4 run 8 core cpus. If developers developer for that, when they port games over, the more cores the better it will run.

Do what you like, but here's the deal.

Ryzen will multitask better
i7 will game better, but I don't think you'll perceive the difference in most situations.

The other thing to keep in mind, the 1080 in the AMD build will agree better than the 1070 and do better longer. It's up to you, your money, but as things go now multithreaded, the ryzen will do better. Look at next year's Intel lineup. Even they see it.
 
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As mentioned earlier. The best thing would be to wait for the 6 core coffe lake processors. If you cant wait, get the Ryzen 5.
Looks at it this way. While the 7700k can give you 125 fps in most games for 3 yrs, the 1600/1600x will give you 100fps on most games for 5 yrs. Beyond 60-80 odd fps, its not even visible to the naked eye unless you put a counter on your screen. But where Ryzen will shine is, if you have 40 tabs of chrome open or 2 other softwares open while gaming alongside, it wont affect the fps as much as the 7700k.
 
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